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Post by thomas on Jun 4, 2023 11:07:26 GMT
Class War ? I will tell you what Class War is ... Its when the country has a deficit problem, and the response is to give tax cuts to the rich, and at the same time introduce The Bedroom Tax, which hit mostly working people on low incomes. THAT'S what class war is Eh?
Sid. You obviously dont realise that the bedroom tax is new labour policy , introduced by gordon brown for private sector tenants in 2008. Then expanded by the tories , and for much of the last 13 years , the labour party have been virtually tieing themselves in knots ovr it.
The bedroom tax is Labour policy – Gordon Brown introduced it for private-sector tenants back in 2008, and the only reason the coalition’s extension of it to social tenants is attracting so much more opprobrium is that the government is pursuing it with such a naked ideological hatred of the poor. Labour has even admitted that were it to be elected in 2015 it would NOT repeal the tax, merely tinker at its edges.
Labour bedroom tax 'hypocrisy'
LABOUR has been accused of "rank hypocrisy" after 47 of its MPs failed to vote on its key Westminster motion, demanding the so-called bedroom tax be scrapped immediately.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 4, 2023 11:09:06 GMT
Yes class war fiddler. The labour scum love to attack the usual soft targets whilst feathering their own nests. Does the Blair property portfolio ring any bells? It bloody should do even to the thickest members of our society. Interesting that you believe taxing the super rich is wrong, and that ( according to you ) its a "class war", your certainly voting for the correct party which fits in with your beliefs ... the Tories have always been the party which looks after the wealthy and hammers ordinary people. I don't like to see anyone taxed but the labour scum have turned it into an art form. I wonder how much the labour top shysters owe the taxman? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 4, 2023 11:33:49 GMT
The London Congestion Charge is a separate issue, but there are many ways to overcome the charges, including buying yourself a car which falls into the exemptions, or use public transport. The congestion charge is a very, very good thing, it has significantly reduced polution, and it has provided millions of pounds to invest in buses, bus lanes, public transport, paths and cycle lanes and paths for pedestrians. Its time to start pushing cars off the road and start forcing people to use public transport ... by making buses and trains affordable and convenient, and make car use expensive and inconvenient.
Yes, as I said: Forcing the poor off the road.
Well done you. The enemy of the working class.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2023 11:36:44 GMT
Class War ? I will tell you what Class War is ... Its when the country has a deficit problem, and the response is to give tax cuts to the rich, and at the same time introduce The Bedroom Tax, which hit mostly working people on low incomes. THAT'S what class war is Eh?
Sid. You obviously dont realise that the bedroom tax is new labour policy , introduced by gordon brown for private sector tenants in 2008. Then expanded by the tories , and for much of the last 13 years , the labour party have been virtually tieing themselves in knots ovr it.
The bedroom tax is Labour policy – Gordon Brown introduced it for private-sector tenants back in 2008, and the only reason the coalition’s extension of it to social tenants is attracting so much more opprobrium is that the government is pursuing it with such a naked ideological hatred of the poor. Labour has even admitted that were it to be elected in 2015 it would NOT repeal the tax, merely tinker at its edges.
Labour bedroom tax 'hypocrisy'
LABOUR has been accused of "rank hypocrisy" after 47 of its MPs failed to vote on its key Westminster motion, demanding the so-called bedroom tax be scrapped immediately.
Except of course there was one major difference - Transition Rights - the Local Housing Allowance introduced by Gordon Brown did not trap people who were already in accommodation, it only applied to new tennancies and new claims. The unfairness of David Camerons Bedroom Tax was that it affected everyone, including for example a couple who had lived in a council house for many years, and where their son or daughter had grown up and left home. It meant that people actually had money taken away from them, and in many instances were unable to move, either because they could not afford to, or because there were no smaller properties available. Same with the Poll Tax, another Tory tax which ensured that a single state pensioner in a one bedroom council flat, paid the same as the owner of a Castle |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 4, 2023 11:44:15 GMT
Same with the Poll Tax, another Tory tax which ensured that a single state pensioner in a one bedroom council flat, paid the same as the owner of a Castle. Which would still have been considerably less than they now pay in rates. |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 4, 2023 11:56:11 GMT
Class War ? I will tell you what Class War is ... Its when the country has a deficit problem, and the response is to give tax cuts to the rich, and at the same time introduce The Bedroom Tax, which hit mostly working people on low incomes. THAT'S what class war is Its taking away a basic payment from low income families designed to encourage teenagers to stay on at school, and at the same time give tax breaks to private schools. What Keir Starmer MIGHT PROPOSE ( and it is all speculation ), is a bloody good dose of prgressive policies, which will not be based upon class. A Labour government might take money from the "super wealthy" including from mega businesses and multi nationals who have benefitted and reaped in huge profits as a result of both the oil and energy crisis and the inflation crisis. Good for him - its the right thing to do There is no such thing as the Bedroom Tax ask HMRC it was another lie the Lunatic Left and their media spouted , it only applied to Social Housing when one occupant was living in a two or three bedroomed Council Property therefore they removed a benefit to encourage them to transfer to a smaller property to free up larger properties to house a family, housing was back then in short supply as it still is made even worse by Labour under the War Monger Blair who openly encouraged migrants from Asia to come here. The high earners already pay higher tax on their incomes probably far more than you have ever paid if you actually do work, Class War is driven by envy and hatred by the Far Lunatic Left, Labour closed down many of the Grammar Schools renamed them which meant that the brightest who could pass the entrance rich or poor could get a better education than provided by the State Schools. What Labour should have done was bring state schools up to their level , instead we now have far left Teachers brainwashing kids, on every major Protests in London you will see these far left Teachers protesting about something, is it any wonder we have kids leaving school with little or no education and qualifications for many jobs unemployable, just lifting and shifting at best. As for Private Schools it matters not how rich parents are if their child cannot pass the entrance exam they will not be allocated a place, if they do pass and are not bright enough to keep up and struggle the parents will be told to take their child out, Private Schools get a tax breaks for a very good reason it means they can offer free placements to parents with bright children that can pass the entrance exam whose cannot afford the fees. As for Stop and Search the Police cannot just stop and search anyone without a good reason, they have to justify each and every one they make in writing a copy is given to each person they stop and search , even if they don't carry out a search , the majority of stop and search these days is intelligence led, if you live in a high crime area you may well be stopped and possible searched , here in London the amount of weapons they seize week in week out is staggering especially knives. When it comes our personal freedoms under Blair and Labour they passed more Laws Regulations and Legislation that you could be prosecuted for than all previous Governments combined roughly 3,000 of them. Way this country is going there could well be serious unrest in the future, the silenced majority may well take to the streets and the Woke and Far Left will not like it totally outnumbered. I hope that never happens , then again it might be a good thing to get rid of the 5th columnists in our midst surplus to requirement  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 4, 2023 12:01:24 GMT
What we're seeing now is the nastiness of the left. They think they can scent victory and they can't help showing their true colours. And it will get worse as we get nearer the general election. Which is a good thing as it will probably cost Starmer any kind of workable majority or even the election in its entirety.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2023 12:03:47 GMT
If people wish to call a "surcharge" on a persons Housing Benefit a Bedroom Tax, then they can do
and the reason why we refer to it as The Bedroom Tax is because it causes Tories to feel uncomfortable, therefore we will continue to call it The Bedroom Tax.
Its really come to something now, hasent it ?, when Tory supporters are now actually defending The Poll Tax which brought Maggie down.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 4, 2023 12:06:30 GMT
Tell you what, fiddler - you're doing a sterling job of proving the thread title correct.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2023 12:12:32 GMT
Tell you what, fiddler - you're doing a sterling job of proving the thread title correct. LOL. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2023 12:23:23 GMT
Tell you what, fiddler - you're doing a sterling job of proving the thread title correct. There s nothing "thick" about standing up for ordinary people who struggle in life, or for those that work hard on low income and need a bit of help. The Labour Party would never have done any of the things the Tories have done, they even opposed the introduction of the National Minimum Wage, and they only changed their tune because they had to, otherwise face defeat. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 4, 2023 12:33:17 GMT
Tell you what, fiddler - you're doing a sterling job of proving the thread title correct. There s nothing "thick" about standing up for ordinary people who struggle in life, or for those that work hard on low income and need a bit of help. The Labour Party would never have done any of the things the Tories have done, they even opposed the introduction of the National Minimum Wage, and they only changed their tune because they had to, otherwise face defeat. Fiddler, we are all old enough to remember the seventies under two governments both fucking useless. |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 4, 2023 12:35:43 GMT
The London Congestion Charge is a separate issue, but there are many ways to overcome the charges, including buying yourself a car which falls into the exemptions, or use public transport. The congestion charge is a very, very good thing, it has significantly reduced polution, and it has provided millions of pounds to invest in buses, bus lanes, public transport, paths and cycle lanes and paths for pedestrians. Its time to start pushing cars off the road and start forcing people to use public transport ... by making buses and trains affordable and convenient, and make car use expensive and inconvenient. The London Congestion charge was put in place by Livingstone when he was Mayor to try a free up traffic in Central London years ago you had to pay to drive into it, the only vehicles that did not pay were Motorcycles and Scooters riders, reason for that was Rd Ken was thick his cameras film vehicles from the front and he did not know Motorcycles and Scooters numbers plates are on the back. You are confusing it with ULEZ Ultra Low Emission Zone which is Kahan's scheme to improve the air quality in London, which did cover every road inside North and South Circular Roads, which cost many Londoners lost of money to change their cars, or sell them at a loss. Now Khan is in the process of expanding it to cover the whole of London, he is not popular for that again those living inside the London Borough will have to comply change their vehicles, many thousands of people commute into London 24/7 to work if they don't have a vehicles that is ULEZ compliant it will cost them £12.50p a day. essential workers will struggle to get to work and home in the middle of the night. If they use the train the Fares have just gone up by 5.9% thanks to the Marxists Union Leader Lynch and his fellow comrades which has damaged London Economy, the Tube does not run 24/7 and monthly passes are not cheap, fewer people will go into central London which means London Economy will be damaged Khan is such a nice chap our Council Tax has now gone up as he wants more money, we the taxpayers have had to bail him and TFL out to the tune of many millions more than once, the mans a fool and incompetent |
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Post by thomas on Jun 4, 2023 13:54:47 GMT
Eh?
Sid. You obviously dont realise that the bedroom tax is new labour policy , introduced by gordon brown for private sector tenants in 2008. Then expanded by the tories , and for much of the last 13 years , the labour party have been virtually tieing themselves in knots ovr it.
The bedroom tax is Labour policy – Gordon Brown introduced it for private-sector tenants back in 2008, and the only reason the coalition’s extension of it to social tenants is attracting so much more opprobrium is that the government is pursuing it with such a naked ideological hatred of the poor. Labour has even admitted that were it to be elected in 2015 it would NOT repeal the tax, merely tinker at its edges.
Labour bedroom tax 'hypocrisy'
LABOUR has been accused of "rank hypocrisy" after 47 of its MPs failed to vote on its key Westminster motion, demanding the so-called bedroom tax be scrapped immediately.
Except of course there was one major difference - Transition Rights - the Local Housing Allowance introduced by Gordon Brown did not trap people who were already in accommodation, it only applied to new tennancies and new claims. The unfairness of David Camerons Bedroom Tax was that it affected everyone, including for example a couple who had lived in a council house for many years, and where their son or daughter had grown up and left home. It meant that people actually had money taken away from them, and in many instances were unable to move, either because they could not afford to, or because there were no smaller properties available. Same with the Poll Tax, another Tory tax which ensured that a single state pensioner in a one bedroom council flat, paid the same as the owner of a Castle dont try and divert from the fact you were telling porkie pies about who introduced the bedroom tax. Your party own it .
Not only did new labour vote against scrapping the bedroom tax , but in scotland , labour councils voted against a motion of no evictions for council tenants due to arrears caused by new labours bedroom tax.
Trying to shift the blame onto the tories is laughable ,because as always the labour party are up to their necks in the problems of the bedroom tax.
Labour rely on the public having selective amnesia , and the mushroom syndrome of being kept in the dark while fed on labour party bullshit.
Scottish Labour MSP Jackie Baillie called on the Scottish government to pass emergency legislation to ensure no tenants are evicted as a result of arrears brought on by the so-called "bedroom tax", in an emergency question on 27 March 2013.
Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon accused Labour of being "shamelessly hypocritical" over the issue with some Labour councils voting against a no evictions policy.
Ms Sturgeon said no SNP-led councils would evict tenants because of arrears caused by the tax and she called on Labour to stop belatedly "grandstanding" over the issue and get behind the Scottish government's efforts to protect the vulnerable.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jun 4, 2023 14:34:03 GMT
Tell you what, fiddler - you're doing a sterling job of proving the thread title correct. The thread title fell foul of our new guidelines and has therefore been edited to remove the insult. |
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