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Post by Bentley on Jun 23, 2023 20:34:00 GMT
I’m actually quite alarmed at this. I have two posters who insist that doubters should not be persuaded . They should simply believe it because it’s right .
It’s a cult …
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Post by zanygame on Jun 23, 2023 20:37:17 GMT
She's a campaigner, she's been campaigning from the start. How worthy I think she is is very important. Because I know how much she has put into this and how much she understands climate change. Have you ever listened to one of her broadcasts. There are plenty of climate change scientists backing up claims about climate change, you have never shown the slightest sign that you listen to them. You only listen to amateurs on you tube picking holes in tiny errors made in calculations, like you are now. You have no interest in the truth or the middle ground. But it doesn't matter because the world knows about climate change and the world is trying to fix it. Now its only about how fast. There you go again making up false claims about what I listen to and using ad Homs . If you cannot accept that an eminent scientist cannot make a more compelling argument than a teenager ( vulnerable or not ) then it follows that you think they can’t . You merely want to be part of a climate cult headed by a child . You are part of the problem . Just using your debate technique. As I said many eminent scientists accept climate change. The internet is full of scientist making compelling arguments. But as I said you don't want to know. Doesn't matter that you pick on Greta, saying she doesn't count makes no odds. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 20:40:07 GMT
I’m actually quite alarmed at this. I have two posters who insist that doubters should not be persuaded . They should simply believe it because it’s right . It’s a cult … I have to agree, and one that exploits children. Children who grew up with a tarnished reputation, but as good people we will still forgive them. I actually feel sorry for her. The fame and responsibility could set her up for a bad fall. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 23, 2023 20:40:53 GMT
Now to my question. Would you apply this to other protesters? That unless you are an expert you should keep quiet? Absolutely yes, given the obvious lunacy of most high-profile climate change protesters. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 23, 2023 20:42:39 GMT
I’m actually quite alarmed at this. I have two posters who insist that doubters should not be persuaded . They should simply believe it because it’s right . It’s a cult … Absolutely. And many of it's adherents have clearly been radicalised.
Which is obvious to anyone who's spent any time talking to them (which clearly Zany & Co haven't).
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Post by Bentley on Jun 23, 2023 20:45:41 GMT
There you go again making up false claims about what I listen to and using ad Homs . If you cannot accept that an eminent scientist cannot make a more compelling argument than a teenager ( vulnerable or not ) then it follows that you think they can’t . You merely want to be part of a climate cult headed by a child . You are part of the problem . Just using your debate technique. As I said many eminent scientists accept climate change. The internet is full of scientist making compelling arguments. But as I said you don't want to know. Doesn't matter that you pick on Greta, saying she doesn't count makes no odds. And still you ignore the point I made then made up your own . You support a cult of climate change and that's why people suspect you . Your slavish support of a climate campaign headed by a vulnerable ( or not ) unqualified teenager and not a climate scientist is as laughable as swapping covid scientists for a young autistic child to tell us to stay at home because otherwise we might steal her childhood . You just don’t see it ..so you are the problem . |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 23, 2023 20:47:22 GMT
I’m actually quite alarmed at this. I have two posters who insist that doubters should not be persuaded . They should simply believe it because it’s right . It’s a cult … Absolutely. And many of it's adherents have clearly been radicalised.
Which is obvious to anyone who's spent any time talking to them (which clearly Zany & Co haven't).
It gets worse . One of them claimed that I pick on Greta . |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 23, 2023 20:48:58 GMT
I’m actually quite alarmed at this. I have two posters who insist that doubters should not be persuaded . They should simply believe it because it’s right . It’s a cult … How can you persuade someone who wont listen. There's shed loads of information out there have you read anything that wasn't published by a denier? Ever? You are part of a group claiming almost every scientist in the world is part of a cult or lining their pockets. You offer no explanation as to how Chinese scientists came to Agree with American ones or British ones. Apparently its enough to believe they all get their funding if the agree on climate change. Not attempt to explain why Europe, America, China Etc are all spending fortunes fighting a thing you say only exists so scientists can get hand outs. You say all this while calling the other side a cult. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 20:49:41 GMT
You think she is being "rolled out" by someone. In fact she is there largely by her own campaigning efforts. And of course she is a campaigner. What else do you think she is doing if not campaigning? She is not a scientist in a lab or out taking field measurements. These generally have more important things to do than front campaigns trying to persuade the unpersuadable. Thunberg's status as a recognised face is due to the fact that she has made a name for herself as a campaigner amongst young people who very much listen to her which is the main reason why others pay heed to her. Not everyone amongst the powers that be see value in ignoring what young people think or feel concerned about. And if you see her as the face of a campaign, how do you think she became such without campaigning? What there was was serious interest in a passionate young person so committed to something other than partying or getting laid. She parlayed that into publicity for her cause. And used her public standing amongst younger demographics to champion that cause. That is a highly intelligent campaigner in action. A bunch of stodgy scientists quoting statistics and hedging their bets would never get the media attention. That cause requires a host of campaigners championing it. But because most of the others are middle aged men writing in the liberal sections of the newsprint media - people like George Monbiot or Mark Lynas - most people pay little attention to them. People take such a dislike to Thunberg because she gets heard and reaches the parts most political campaigners cannot reach, ie the young. And many older people hate her for that as much as anything, especially those who dont want to listen re climate change issues. If you believe that Thunberg has achieved bring the face of climate change by herself then I’m wasting my time. When the eco worriers stop blaming others for not being suspicious of a climate cult headed by a child ….then get an eminent scientist to put a compelling argument for net zero that refutes the claims of climate sceptics then maybe they will succeed at persuading the doubters . You are wilfully mistaking a campaigner for a cult leader, which says more about your attitude to climate change science than anything else. She is campaigning for what she believes in. If you don't want to listen to her because she is young that is your right. It is not your age group she is primarily campaigning for or appealing to. But to be dismissive of climate science just because you don't like her is rather silly, and tends to expose the fact that she is an excuse for you not believing in something you wouldnt believe in anyway. If you are serious about learning about the science then seek out some reputable scientists, ie the peer reviewed, award winning ones, not any old bod on the internet telling you what you want to hear. And you could make a good start by reading the New Scientist every week, a reputable publication that appeals to scientists and laymen alike, and is easy to read and understand by anyone intelligent enough to debate here, which includes you. It covers all aspects of science but the climate change science features often |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 23, 2023 20:50:33 GMT
Absolutely. And many of it's adherents have clearly been radicalised.
Which is obvious to anyone who's spent any time talking to them (which clearly Zany & Co haven't).
It gets worse . One of them claimed that I pick on Greta . Who is herself another clearly vulnerable and exploited person.
The Soviets did it with their "Useful idiots". Islamic radicals do the same.
As does the climate change religion (and leftism as a whole).
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Post by zanygame on Jun 23, 2023 20:52:10 GMT
Now to my question. Would you apply this to other protesters? That unless you are an expert you should keep quiet? Absolutely yes, given the obvious lunacy of most high-profile climate change protesters. So protesters against asylum seekers being allowed to come here should be ignored because they are not experts? |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 23, 2023 20:52:25 GMT
I’m actually quite alarmed at this. I have two posters who insist that doubters should not be persuaded . They should simply believe it because it’s right . It’s a cult … How can you persuade someone who wont listen. There's shed loads of information out there have you read anything that wasn't published by a denier? Ever? You are part of a group claiming almost every scientist in the world is part of a cult or lining their pockets. You offer no explanation as to how Chinese scientists came to Agree with American ones or British ones. Apparently its enough to believe they all get their funding if the agree on climate change. Not attempt to explain why Europe, America, China Etc are all spending fortunes fighting a thing you say only exists so scientists can get hand outs. You say all this while calling the other side a cult. They will listen but not to a cult . Find an eminent climate scientist and make them the head of the net zero campaign not a child …but YOU don’t want to listen do you ? |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 23, 2023 20:56:21 GMT
If you believe that Thunberg has achieved bring the face of climate change by herself then I’m wasting my time. When the eco worriers stop blaming others for not being suspicious of a climate cult headed by a child ….then get an eminent scientist to put a compelling argument for net zero that refutes the claims of climate sceptics then maybe they will succeed at persuading the doubters . You are wilfully mistaking a campaigner for a cult leader, which says more about your attitude to climate change science than anything else. She is campaigning for what she believes in. If you don't want to listen to her because she is young that is your right. It is not your age group she is primarily campaigning for or appealing to. But to be dismissive of climate science just because you don't like her is rather silly, and tends to expose the fact that she is an excuse for you not believing in something you wouldnt believe in anyway. If you are serious about learning about the science then seek out some reputable scientists, ie the peer reviewed, award winning ones, not any old bod on the internet telling you what you want to hear. And you could make a good start by reading the New Scientist every week, a reputable publication that appeals to scientists and laymen alike, and is easy to read and understand by anyone intelligent enough to debate here, which includes you. It covers all aspects of science but the climate change science features often I’m pointing out the obvious. If you want to head your campaign with an unqualified teenager and insist that every should believe it because it’s right …instead of a qualified scientist who can put forward a compelling argument then you are the problem . I don’t need advice from you thanks . Your argument is one that supports a cult . |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 23, 2023 20:57:06 GMT
Absolutely yes, given the obvious lunacy of most high-profile climate change protesters. So protesters against asylum seekers being allowed to come here should be ignored because they are not experts? Strawman.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 21:01:34 GMT
I’m actually quite alarmed at this. I have two posters who insist that doubters should not be persuaded . They should simply believe it because it’s right . It’s a cult … That is a fallacy. We are questioning the scientific basis behind your refusal to accept the reality being presented to us by the vast majority of scientists. This is not being handed to you via scripture or the ten commandments, nor by some religious guru, nor by a bunch of loons on the internet. We are simply questioning your bona fides when it comes to the extraordinary claim that you know more about the climate than the worlds scientists, all of them experts in the field who have been studying this for decades. Such an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary backing. What are you scientific credentials? Qualifications? Years spent working in the field? Peer reviewed scientific papers published? Because when people such as you and others like you claim to disbelieve what the worlds scientists are telling you, it either suggest scientific genius on your parts of a kind likely to have been widely recognised by now, or - probably more likely - you are refusing to believe the scientific evidence for no better reason than the fact that you don't want to believe it. |
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