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Post by Toreador on Jun 3, 2023 14:57:05 GMT
I refer to an earlier comment I made to Zany:
I doubt you are going to get the opinions you seek, people are wise to those who seek opinions for no other reason than to dispute them ad infinitum.
....and so it has come to pass.
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Post by Toreador on Jun 3, 2023 15:12:30 GMT
I refer to an earlier comment I made to Zany:
I doubt you are going to get the opinions you seek, people are wise to those who seek opinions for no other reason than to dispute them ad infinitum.
....and so it has come to pass.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 3, 2023 15:14:27 GMT
I refer to an earlier comment I made to Zany: I doubt you are going to get the opinions you seek, people are wise to those who seek opinions for no other reason than to dispute them ad infinitum.....and so it has come to pass. I did get the opinions I sought. They were the honest opinions of the voters. I thought it was a good starting point for a conversation. I must admit I expected the majority to say they believed climate change was man made but there was nothing we can do about it (because of China etc etc. Still its interesting to see how many people are still dubious about the claims of AGW. We seem to live in an age when scientists are no longer trusted.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jun 3, 2023 15:15:00 GMT
I refer to an earlier comment I made to Zany: I doubt you are going to get the opinions you seek, people are wise to those who seek opinions for no other reason than to dispute them ad infinitum.....and so it has come to pass. We heard you the first time.
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Post by colbops on Jun 3, 2023 15:32:12 GMT
Decommissioning and storage is factored into the capital cost from day 1 these days. Back when the UK was pioneering nuclear it wasn't understood or given much consideration and instead just parked under the 'future problem' rug. Levelized costs Nuclear costs about $160 per MWH Offshore costs about $40 per MWH. Ahh, that old chestnut. levelized cost of energy is a metric that was not designed to compare different energy sources. It is extremely misleading and used by the unscrupulous to convince others that wind and solar is cheap. Unfortunately people with agendas latch onto it because it appears to suit their narrative and then regurgitate it. It'd be a bit like If I were to say to you, what is the cheapest way per mile for you to get from London to Edinburgh, and then insist that going forward you and anyone else wanting to go should walk there because it is the cheapest way.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 3, 2023 15:46:08 GMT
Levelized costs Nuclear costs about $160 per MWH Offshore costs about $40 per MWH. Ahh, that old chestnut. levelized cost of energy is a metric that was not designed to compare different energy sources. It is extremely misleading and used by the unscrupulous to convince others that wind and solar is cheap. Unfortunately people with agendas latch onto it because it appears to suit their narrative and then regurgitate it. It'd be a bit like If I were to say to you, what is the cheapest way per mile for you to get from London to Edinburgh, and then insist that going forward you and anyone else wanting to go should walk there because it is the cheapest way. Apologies. I chose levelised because it says that accounts for the life time costs of electrical production. Is there a better method you prefer. So a bit like working out the travel costs to Edinburgh for you to travel daily and comparing buying a car and driving to just going by train. Obviously first day the car costs a lot more what with buying it etc, but over 2 years it might work out cheaper.
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Post by Toreador on Jun 3, 2023 16:45:40 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Jun 3, 2023 17:01:35 GMT
That's quite an ambiguous question. And answer "In a study that surveyed 1,891 physicians, one-third reported that they “did not completely agree” that it is always necessary to inform patients of medical errors." I can think of a few examples where telling the patient you had accidentally nicked an artery while operating would do more harm than good. Some one with dementia who doesn't fully understand might worry themselves sick about it. The thing I find difficult with this subject is that it doesn't matter if I take the time to explain the science people still don't believe it. For instance I could go to a lot of trouble to explain. That we can extract long ice cores to study the thousands of layers ice representing separate snowfalls and their trapped air bubbles. In controlled laboratory environments, we can measure the chemical makeup of the air that has been trapped - how much oxygen, carbon dioxide, and nitrogen gas was present in the atmosphere at the time it was buried in the ice. From these measurements, we can calculate past temperatures using empirical data on how these gases hold heat in the modern atmosphere. Or use naturally occurring isotopes. Isotopes are atoms of the same element that are heavier or lighter depending on how many neutrons are in its nucleus. Even molecules of water, composed of one hydrogen atom and two oxygen atoms, can have different weights depending on what isotopes of hydrogen and oxygen are bonded together. The two most common isotopes of oxygen in nature are oxygen-16 (8 neutrons) and oxygen-18 (10 neutrons). When the Earth cools down, the lighter, oxygen-16 found in seawater is locked away in the ice of high latitude glaciers due to evaporative processes, leaving behind relatively more oxygen-18 in the oceans. During warm global climates, melted ice returns oxygen-16-rich waters to the oceans. So the proportion of oxygen-18 to oxygen-16 in the ocean reflects the Earth’s climate even if we can’t see the ice. Earth Scientists recognize this oxygen isotope pattern between glaciated and ice-free climates, referring to it as the “ice volume effect”, and have since used it to reconstruct ancient Earth climates. Great long explanations, but next day the people who read your words are still saying the same things a though nothing changed. They don't challenge the information they just ignore it.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 3, 2023 17:33:34 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Jun 3, 2023 18:09:56 GMT
That rather depends on if you believe wattsupwiththat. Why are they likely to be more honest than the NOAA
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Post by sandypine on Jun 3, 2023 18:21:16 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Jun 3, 2023 18:36:04 GMT
Friends arriving any minute . Speak tomorrow, have a good evening.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2023 2:32:02 GMT
Friends arriving any minute . Speak tomorrow, have a good evening. The classic cop out, used it meself once or twice, although not recently.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 4, 2023 6:32:19 GMT
Friends arriving any minute . Speak tomorrow, have a good evening. The classic cop out, used it meself once or twice, although not recently. How sad your Saturday nights are. 😂 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2023 6:39:50 GMT
Friends arriving any minute . Speak tomorrow, have a good evening. The classic cop out, used it meself once or twice, although not recently. Careful, he doesn't like to be questioned.
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