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Post by bancroft on Nov 16, 2022 10:50:08 GMT
Sterling is going up which means imported inflation drops a bit.
I can't tell now until we see the detail the sound from the media is that some taxes are going to hurt or backfire..........
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2022 1:21:23 GMT
How can people like Johnson, Truss, May, and Cameron get to lead the tory Party? There is something organisationally wrong. Johnson was a wrong un from the start. There must have been warning flags from the others, like May. But they got the job. My theory is that there is an inherent complacency leading to the dissolution of the UK. It is that bad, you cant rely on the left for anything. And the complacency is a simple schizophrenic approach, like Dylan on the magic roundabout, brought about by wealth, bad education, i include universities, especially them, and a feeling, unfounded, that everything will turn out well in the end. And the cancerous creep of socialism into the Tory party. We need a doctor, a hard headed doctor that will cut out the malignancy, and act in the good of the country, not the party. Oh, he or she wont last two minutes before being dumped, like Truss, who was doing the right thing at the wrong time. And delivered it in a disastrous way. Sunak looks like a doctor to me. Has he the wit to change the Tories, save the country and not get sacked. We need a political psychopath, not a weak pathetic lefty slug like Johnson, May and Cameron. Well you can say Boris was a 'wrong un' if you like, but the fact remains he was not only democratically elected but elected with a massive majority. That's a damned sight more than Sunak can say. You say there is something organisationally wrong [with the Tory party], and I do not disagree, yet you appear to be a fan of Sunak, which is slightly confusing. Sunak is not a Conservative, he is a centrist socialist with globalist ambitions. All the way through the leadership hustings he said time and again that the Conservatives are a low tax party. Tomorrow the chancellor Sunak appointed, another globalist, is going to massively raise the tax burden. Also, all the way through the hustings Sunak was pro fracking because he knew it was popular with the majority, the minute he walked into number 10 he banned it. Sunak doesn't give a flying fuck what anyone outside of his immediate circle thinks. The Tories are incompetent and don't give a damn what the electorate want, the illegal invasion from the EU for example, we all want it stopped but the spineless government are frightened of upsetting Macron and the EU. And Labour is no better they're perpetually clueless. So, who do we vote for? Reform? Who knows. Time will tell. And btw, I say this as a member of the conservative party lol. |
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Post by colbops on Nov 18, 2022 0:46:17 GMT
Well you can say Boris was a 'wrong un' if you like, but the fact remains he was not only democratically elected but elected with a massive majority. That's a damned sight more than Sunak can say. Say what? Boris Johnson was elected with a majority of 7,210. Rishi Sunak on the other hand was elected with a majority of 27,210. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 18, 2022 16:31:57 GMT
LOL - nothing really changes. Labour were making the same claims 50 years ago and they failed to deliver then.. ....maybe this time is will be different … Well you say they failed and maybe they did. But Wilson spoke of the need to replace the cloth cap with the white lab coat. Grandad and Dad were both denied a university education despite their IQ and academic success at school because there was not enough money. I got one because the institutions set up in the aftermath of that speech were there to deliver it free of charge and as I think I’ve said on here somewhere I’ve paid wheelbarrows more tax since then as a direct result of being able to apply for and do jobs using what I learned. I agree many of today’s student population are basically being conned / screwed into doing a degree that will never get them a job in order to keep unemployment figures down but that doesn’t detract from our need to train the next generation for jobs that DO need that training And dad was one of the white coated techs at Calder Hall so I suppose there were some who delivered Wilson’s dream. |
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Post by borchester on Dec 18, 2022 18:08:25 GMT
LOL - nothing really changes. Labour were making the same claims 50 years ago and they failed to deliver then.. ....maybe this time is will be different … Well you say they failed and maybe they did. But Wilson spoke of the need to replace the cloth cap with the white lab coat. Grandad and Dad were both denied a university education despite their IQ and academic success at school because there was not enough money. I got one because the institutions set up in the aftermath of that speech were there to deliver it free of charge and as I think I’ve said on here somewhere I’ve paid wheelbarrows more tax since then as a direct result of being able to apply for and do jobs using what I learned. I agree many of today’s student population are basically being conned / screwed into doing a degree that will never get them a job in order to keep unemployment figures down but that doesn’t detract from our need to train the next generation for jobs that DO need that training And dad was one of the white coated techs at Calder Hall so I suppose there were some who delivered Wilson’s dream. The problem was that Wilson had some great policies and better lines, but was not really in charge of his government and was thus unable to deliver |
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Post by borchester on Dec 19, 2022 21:23:40 GMT
Well, Labour has fallen by 1% and Reform climbed 2% in the last three weeks
Since Labour is still on 46% and Reform only on 7%, I don't see Starmer and the rest of the Great Unwashed storming down Whitehall and raising the red flag over Number 10 anytime this month. But
(a) at this rate the Tories and Labour will be level pegging by Autumn 2023
(b) the protest vote appears to be leaving the Lib Dems and moving to the hard right.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 21, 2022 16:27:02 GMT
How can people like Johnson, Truss, May, and Cameron get to lead the tory Party? There is something organisationally wrong. Johnson was a wrong un from the start. There must have been warning flags from the others, like May. But they got the job. My theory is that there is an inherent complacency leading to the dissolution of the UK. It is that bad, you cant rely on the left for anything. And the complacency is a simple schizophrenic approach, like Dylan on the magic roundabout, brought about by wealth, bad education, i include universities, especially them, and a feeling, unfounded, that everything will turn out well in the end. And the cancerous creep of socialism into the Tory party. We need a doctor, a hard headed doctor that will cut out the malignancy, and act in the good of the country, not the party. Oh, he or she wont last two minutes before being dumped, like Truss, who was doing the right thing at the wrong time. And delivered it in a disastrous way. Sunak looks like a doctor to me. Has he the wit to change the Tories, save the country and not get sacked. We need a political psychopath, not a weak pathetic lefty slug like Johnson, May and Cameron. He slayed the dragon so respects for that. It was when he resigned that Johnson's career as a UK parliamentarian and PM was doomed. Yes I agree he is a doctor type. His father was a GP. The arrogance that it will work out is due to a crony privilege system which exists both in high cost private schools and also Oxford and Cambridge, with Oxford being worse. Cambridge is more a science place, where Oxford is very socialist and has been for a long time. If you go to either you will get a job in a major UK corporation at a drop of a hat. You have effectively already made it if you go there. There is not much competition at this level. The competition exists lower down the food chain where salaries are competitive. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 23, 2022 7:45:46 GMT
How can people like Johnson, Truss, May, and Cameron get to lead the tory Party? There is something organisationally wrong. Johnson was a wrong un from the start. There must have been warning flags from the others, like May. But they got the job. I wonder why you didn't mention Sunak, who was basically installed by a cabal of Tory MPs - most of whom wanted to remain in the EU. No one ever voted for the Tories with Sunak as leader - and a Sunak-led Tory party will never win an election. As for the rest, Boris was democratically elected because he was the only one who could be trusted to deliver Brexit - and he did. Truss was elected by the Tory members because she wasn't Sunak and My was installed by the Tory MPs because they thought she would never deliver Brexit - which she duly did. Cameron wasn't that bad - just a pity he was a Lib Dem. I don't think the problems are exclusive to the Tories. The problem is that most of the parties now are Social Democrats. There's no choice. And they all want to be in the EU. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 23, 2022 8:00:43 GMT
How can people like Johnson, Truss, May, and Cameron get to lead the tory Party? There is something organisationally wrong. Johnson was a wrong un from the start. There must have been warning flags from the others, like May. But they got the job. I wonder why you didn't mention Sunak, who was basically installed by a cabal of Tory MPs - most of whom wanted to remain in the EU. No one ever voted for the Tories with Sunak as leader - and a Sunak-led Tory party will never win an election. As for the rest, Boris was democratically elected because he was the only one who could be trusted to deliver Brexit - and he did. Truss was elected by the Tory members because she wasn't Sunak and My was installed by the Tory MPs because they thought she would never deliver Brexit - which she duly did. Cameron wasn't that bad - just a pity he was a Lib Dem. I don't think the problems are exclusive to the Tories. The problem is that most of the parties now are Social Democrats. There's no choice. And they all want to be in the EU.This is certainly true - there is no difference between any of the major parties now, since the advent of New Labour all you get are centre left policies from whoever is in power. |
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Post by piglet on Dec 23, 2022 13:38:29 GMT
My judgement of Sunak was a constantly repeated on tv fact that he wanted Britain out of the EU in 2015, against the wishes of almost everyone. Who could not like that? Im not sure he is a globalist yet, maybe he is. He is apparently preparing a speech on what he stands for, and will deliver it soon. I will wait for that, who could not admire his intellect? I wont put it past him or others though, to say one thing, and do another, thats how hard it is to be a voter.
He is a good bean counter and manager, he needs to go beyond that and have a vision. Without that, a map, a plotted course, we are all lost. I am minded to vote reform, the Tories cant carry on like this.
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 23, 2022 17:06:17 GMT
The trouble with Tories is their mania for privatisation no matter what the service or industry. It has created huge wealth for the already wealthy Tory friends and donors.
But over the years public services like trains, power, water, have merged, been badly managed (transport and the power industry) or been run purely for shareholders, meaning tax money is paying wealthy investors and not reinvested (water).
The resources and services everyone uses should IMO be owned by the taxpayer who supports and uses them.
Especially when, as in the case of water, there is no competition to control costs and encourage investment. You can't go somewhere else.
I have no objection to private companies when there is real competition. But public services should be owned by the public via taxation.
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 24, 2022 9:05:42 GMT
My judgement of Sunak was a constantly repeated on tv fact that he wanted Britain out of the EU in 2015, against the wishes of almost everyone. Who could not like that? I think that Sunak approaches everything from the point of view of finance - which is the background he comes from. He's NOT a politician and I don't think he even understands politics. Hw would have wanted the UK out of the EU because, with his experience of the USA, he knows very well that the Eurozone cannot survive without fiscal union - which will cause a massive sunami in EU politics. He certainly never talked about taking back control and immigration etc. In fact one of my worries about Sunak is that he'll open our borders to the likes of India in exchange for a trade deal, which will finally destroy this country. We need him out ASAP. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 24, 2022 22:51:48 GMT
My judgement of Sunak was a constantly repeated on tv fact that he wanted Britain out of the EU in 2015, against the wishes of almost everyone. Who could not like that? I think that Sunak approaches everything from the point of view of finance - which is the background he comes from. He's NOT a politician and I don't think he even understands politics. Hw would have wanted the UK out of the EU because, with his experience of the USA, he knows very well that the Eurozone cannot survive without fiscal union - which will cause a massive sunami in EU politics. He certainly never talked about taking back control and immigration etc. In fact one of my worries about Sunak is that he'll open our borders to the likes of India in exchange for a trade deal, which will finally destroy this country. We need him out ASAP. I’m not so sure. Sunak’s CV includes a fair bit of US work and it can’t have escaped his attention that prior to Cameron offering the voters a referendum on leaving the EU as a bribe to ditch the party’s need to be propped up by the Lib Dem’s the USA was keen to use its links to the Uk to leverage, it at least TRY to leverage, deals favourable to the USA with the EU. I rather suspect he would try to engineer some way to benefit from whatever such arrangements might be brokered now under the counter. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 25, 2022 0:23:03 GMT
My judgement of Sunak was a constantly repeated on tv fact that he wanted Britain out of the EU in 2015, against the wishes of almost everyone. Who could not like that? Im not sure he is a globalist yet, maybe he is. He is apparently preparing a speech on what he stands for, and will deliver it soon. I will wait for that, who could not admire his intellect? I wont put it past him or others though, to say one thing, and do another, thats how hard it is to be a voter. He is a good bean counter and manager, he needs to go beyond that and have a vision. Without that, a map, a plotted course, we are all lost. I am minded to vote reform, the Tories cant carry on like this. I've changed my mind on globalism due the changes happening in globalism. You see if we were to have this argument even ten years ago the term would be synonymous with global trade under the control of proxy firms like Goldman Sachs and George Soros. What is emerging right now is far more favourable in my view. We're talking about the proper sort, as per free market rules. I mean the idea of global trade per se is all good because it lowers prices of goods and services whilst improving their quality, hence the value to you as the paying customer. What it tends to do in addition to this by virtue of the free market optimising economic performance and wealth is that countries specialise, e.g. like the Swiss and their watches. If we were smart, we would use our new Brexit freedoms to work with this new system. It does mean as a country we do need to fit in somewhere. We can't do it all. Like one pretty good number we have going is we were early investors in biotech, which is now reckoned to be the equivalent of the new computer revolution, so we aught to run with that before someone overtakes us. On the negative side we look like we're going to lose it with the car industry - one of our largest manufacturing industries. We might make it in green tech though. This is no longer a religion but an economic advantage. Green energy is now cheaper and better than the old technology. Sunak will know these things as he is pretty smart and has experience of the global investment market. For most people in government this stuff is too complicated, with it being way out of their depth. I for know Starmer it is. He is economically illiterate. |
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