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Post by patman post on May 29, 2023 11:50:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2023 12:06:38 GMT
Sorry, but I do not correlate Brexit Britain's economic performance with that of the EU or other major economies. So, No; it doesn't apply to my position on the issue, much less, to me personally.
Those economies run independently of Brexit Britain so that a slump in the German economy, for example, does not signify Brexit success. Conversely, a boost in the Germany economy wouldn't signify a Brexit failure. For your analysis to be relevant and useful, the correlation must be between Brexit Britain and a Counterfactual Britain. Not between German or US or EU and Brexit Britain. Brexit has failed whether or not the EU and other major economies have fared worse. As simple as that. Sorry, this is absolute BS. You've been whinging and wailing about the UK lagging behind G7 economies for a while now. You can't now falsely claim said economies cannot be viewed in comparison with Britain because the "powerhouse" of Europe is now in a recession and Britain is not.  Yes, I have been highlighting the fact that the UK lags behind G7. So? You are not making a comparison between the British economy and the German economy, are you? You are making a correlation between Brexit and the German economy. What you are actually saying is that Brexit is tied to the German economy and vice versa. In a nutshell, this is your argument based on the Torygraph article: "German economy slumps; therefore, Brexit has not failed." So conversely, "German economy recovers; therefore, Brexit has failed." Can't you see how lame that argument is? You can't, can you? |
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Post by buccaneer on May 29, 2023 12:14:52 GMT
I haven't said anything of the sort Gnome. You're making things up and putting words in my mouth because Germany has a cold at the moment and the UK doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2023 12:37:32 GMT
I haven't said anything of the sort Gnome. You're making things up and putting words in my mouth because Germany has a cold at the moment and the UK doesn't. I responded to you specifically about your statement re home-truths. I said: "Home truths in a nutshell: German economy slumps; therefore, Brexit has not failed." You have neither denied it nor refuted it. What you said then was "this apply to you also." So, effectively and not in so many words, by not refuting it outright, you said it yourself. Now, if you have realised you made a mistake, then just say so and let us all know what you actually mean. I do not invent things. You do. That has been established a long time ago. |
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Post by bancroft on May 29, 2023 12:44:47 GMT
Germany should recover though they depend largely on export markets for consumer durables.
These are energy intensive and this is a problem due to events in Ukraine causing inflation and interest rates to rise.
This dampens demand so less consumer durables bought.
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Post by Pacifico on May 29, 2023 15:52:40 GMT
|"Germany has been Europe's economic engine for decades, pulling the region through one crisis after another. But that resilience is breaking down, and it spells danger for the whole continent.
Decades of flawed energy policy, the demise of combustion-engine cars and a sluggish transition to new technologies are converging to pose the most fundamental threat to the nation's prosperity since reunification. But unlike in 1990, the political class lacks the leadership to tackle structural issues gnawing at the heart of the country's competitiveness.
"We've been naïve as a society because everything seems fine," BASF SE Chief Executive Officer Martin Brudermüller told Bloomberg. "These problems we have in Germany are accumulating. We have a period of change ahead of us; I don't know if everyone realises this."
Economists see German growth lagging behind the rest of the region for years to come, and the International Monetary Fund estimates Germany will be the worst-performing G7 economy this year.
In a recent report, the OECD put the scale of the challenges in stark terms: "No major industrialised economy has ever had the very basis of its competitiveness and resilience so systematically challenged by changing social, environmental and regulatory pressures."
That in turn will ripple across the entire continent, according to Dana Allin, a professor at SAIS Europe. "The health of the German economy is crucial for the broader European economy, and the bloc's harmony and solidarity," he said."
Not looking good. 
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Post by buccaneer on May 29, 2023 20:47:49 GMT
I haven't said anything of the sort Gnome. You're making things up and putting words in my mouth because Germany has a cold at the moment and the UK doesn't. I responded to you specifically about your statement re home-truths. I said: "Home truths in a nutshell: German economy slumps; therefore, Brexit has not failed." You have neither denied it nor refuted it. What you said then was "this apply to you also." So, effectively and not in so many words, by not refuting it outright, you said it yourself. Now, if you have realised you made a mistake, then just say so and let us all know what you actually mean. I do not invent things. You do. That has been established a long time ago. Stop wriggling Gnome. Start by not making things up. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2023 20:55:42 GMT
I responded to you specifically about your statement re home-truths. I said: "Home truths in a nutshell: German economy slumps; therefore, Brexit has not failed." You have neither denied it nor refuted it. What you said then was "this apply to you also." So, effectively and not in so many words, by not refuting it outright, you said it yourself. Now, if you have realised you made a mistake, then just say so and let us all know what you actually mean. I do not invent things. You do. That has been established a long time ago. Stop wriggling Gnome. Start by not making things up. ^  I'm not wriggling out. I'm not even trying to. Remind yourself that you're the one who's in a tight spot. Not me. And you're the one who invent things. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 29, 2023 20:58:38 GMT
Stop wriggling Gnome. Start by not making things up. ^ I'm not wriggling out. I'm not even trying to. Remind yourself that you're the one who's in a tight spot. Not me. And you're the one who invent things. How am I in a tight spot for pointing that Germany is the sick man of Europe? Is Germany not in a recession currently? No point in trying to wriggle and invent things to try and change these facts. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2023 22:27:03 GMT
^ I'm not wriggling out. I'm not even trying to. Remind yourself that you're the one who's in a tight spot. Not me. And you're the one who invent things. How am I in a tight spot for pointing that Germany is the sick man of Europe? Is Germany not in a recession currently? No point in trying to wriggle and invent things to try and change these facts. If recession is your sole basis for calling one country the sick man of Europe; then what do you call countries that went into recession during the pandemic?  You must understand, to be a "sick man" entails very long, continuous, sustained economic decline leading to social and political upheavals -- like the UK in the early/mid 70s. But it is so obvious that you call Germany sick man of Europe only because you want to boost Brexit Britain, i.e: "German economy slumps; therefore, Brexit has not failed." You invent things. Always have and always will. That's because you put your beloved Brexit above all else. And that drives you to seek refuge in blogs like Briefings for Britain or latch on to the tiniest, most irrelevant trivia against the EU to validate your choices. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 30, 2023 6:16:25 GMT
How am I in a tight spot for pointing that Germany is the sick man of Europe? Is Germany not in a recession currently? No point in trying to wriggle and invent things to try and change these facts. If recession is your sole basis for calling one country the sick man of Europe; then what do you call countries that went into recession during the pandemic? You must understand, to be a "sick man" entails very long, continuous, sustained economic decline leading to social and political upheavals -- like the UK in the early/mid 70s. But it is so obvious that you call Germany sick man of Europe only because you want to boost Brexit Britain, i.e: "German economy slumps; therefore, Brexit has not failed." You invent things. Always have and always will. That's because you put your beloved Brexit above all else. And that drives you to seek refuge in blogs like Briefings for Britain or latch on to the tiniest, most irrelevant trivia against the EU to validate your choices. Again, your thought policing and mind-reading into things you don't have the powers to know leave you making up guff and assumptions. Germany is in a recession, it is also in the EU. Britain is not in a recession, it isn't in the EU either. Those are facts. Mind read what you will. But those are cold hard facts. Though you don't like facts and prefer dubious claims of misinformation grabbed from the latest Guardian headline stories doomsaying Brexit, or forecasts from the IMF or OECD about the UK's performance and the reasons for it in comparison to other G7 economies, you're rather defensive about the facts that have been presented to you. Now run along, and pray to Brussels for salvation. |
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Post by Steve on May 30, 2023 10:17:19 GMT
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Post by Vinny on May 30, 2023 10:23:20 GMT
Germany has always been vastly more populated than the UK, more people, more businesses, more jobs.
Their currency even now, is worth less than ours and for that reason is better suited for exporters.
And yet it is Germany which is in recession.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 30, 2023 10:51:34 GMT
...Should we blame Germany's recession on Brexit as well? Of course we should: Anything bad that happens anywhere is all the fault of Brexit. That's Remnant narrative #101. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2023 12:05:14 GMT
If recession is your sole basis for calling one country the sick man of Europe; then what do you call countries that went into recession during the pandemic? You must understand, to be a "sick man" entails very long, continuous, sustained economic decline leading to social and political upheavals -- like the UK in the early/mid 70s. But it is so obvious that you call Germany sick man of Europe only because you want to boost Brexit Britain, i.e: "German economy slumps; therefore, Brexit has not failed." You invent things. Always have and always will. That's because you put your beloved Brexit above all else. And that drives you to seek refuge in blogs like Briefings for Britain or latch on to the tiniest, most irrelevant trivia against the EU to validate your choices. Again, your thought policing and mind-reading into things you don't have the powers to know leave you making up guff and assumptions. Germany is in a recession, it is also in the EU. Britain is not in a recession, it isn't in the EU either. Those are facts. Mind read what you will. But those are cold hard facts. Though you don't like facts and prefer dubious claims of misinformation grabbed from the latest Guardian headline stories doomsaying Brexit, or forecasts from the IMF or OECD about the UK's performance and the reasons for it in comparison to other G7 economies, you're rather defensive about the facts that have been presented to you. Now run along, and pray to Brussels for salvation. But you're the guy who invents things. Not me. Please! I am not questioning the fact that Germany has gone into recession. I am questioning your assertion that Germany has become the "sick man" of Europe based solely on the fact that it has gone into recession. What I've been trying to tell you is the reality that it takes more than one quarter of recession to be a "sick man" of whatever. The UK narrowly missed recession last quarter. Had it, sadly, gone into recession -- as it did in 2020; would you label the UK another "sick man" of Europe? No, you wouldn't, would you? The trouble with all your arguments is that you make them in defence and only in defence of your beloved Brexit. You compare Brexit Britain's economy with that of the EU and find anything and everything that is negative about it in order to justify and validate Brexit. Now, look at your arguments -- they do not present any sense and perspective of where we are with Brexit. They're are like this: "German economy slumps; therefore, Brexit has not failed. The EU's exports have gone down; therefore, Brexit has not failed." |
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You must understand, to be a "sick man" entails very long, continuous, sustained economic decline leading to social and political upheavals -- like the UK in the early/mid 70s.
