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Post by Vinny on May 22, 2023 9:14:49 GMT
Isn't it time they were forced to offer decent rates of interest on savings? 1/4 of their highest interest rate on loans / credit cards, should offer a good rate of interest.
And forced to operate a quota of high street branches in order for the public to be adequately served?
A lack of decent savings rates is causing people to invest in alternative ways, one of which is housing, and that is pushing prices up in an unsustainable way which must one day lead to an enormous house price crash.
Rather than causing monumental levels of negative equity and a ferocious recession, lets nip this in the bud before it gets worse.
Force the banks to start offering decent investment options that are not houses.
And, as a way of stabilising the housing market further, build a new garden city. Make much of the housing stock council houses, keep right to buy, obligate councils to replace any sold off stock.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 11:27:22 GMT
Isn't it time they were forced to offer decent rates of interest on savings? 1/4 of their highest interest rate on loans / credit cards, should offer a good rate of interest. And forced to operate a quota of high street branches in order for the public to be adequately served? A lack of decent savings rates is causing people to invest in alternative ways, one of which is housing, and that is pushing prices up in an unsustainable way which must one day lead to an enormous house price crash. Rather than causing monumental levels of negative equity and a ferocious recession, lets nip this in the bud before it gets worse. Force the banks to start offering decent investment options that are not houses. And, as a way of stabilising the housing market further, build a new garden city. Make much of the housing stock council houses, keep right to buy, obligate councils to replace any sold off stock. I agree with a lot of that. It is indeed notable how the rates for borrowers are rocketing but the rates for savers are not. And there is something very wrong there. I also know that were I to come into a lot of money for any reason and wanted it to at least maintain it's value, bunging it in a bank account would be the very worst thing to do. With inflation as high as it is and interest rates for savers minimal, any money in a bank account would lose two thirds of its real value in as little as a dozen years. If inflation came down its decline in value would be slower but still very real. Shares are too unpredictable. Buying property would be a no brainer. We have created a society and economy where investing in housing is by far the best option, which is diverting capital away from more economically fruitful investments. And this is fuelling runaway house price and private rent inflation year after year, with the near certainty that when this problem is tackled there is going to be a housing price crash. Refusing to do anything about the problem simply makes housing costs ever more unaffordable to ever more people, a fact which is contributing to the growing impoverishment of millions, and having a distorting and negative impact on the economy. If unchecked this will eventually lead to economic devastation and social unrest on a scale we have not seen for decades. It will lead to a rise in political extremism on both left and right. Yet the longer we delay solving the housing problem the worse the resulting crash that results from solving it will be. Some means of forcing decent interest rates for savers that bear some connection to the rates charged for borrowers would help but is only a small part of the bigger solution necessary. I agree we need to build a lot more housing, including a lot more social housing. But we also need to build a lot more genuinely affordable housing to buy. We need to ensure that the housing units being built are the ones we most need, rather than the ones which make the most profits for developers because the two are not always the same. All new affordable housing to buy should exclude housing investors like landlords and be restricted to first time buyers or people who need to move into an area from elsewhere for whatever reason resulting in them having to sell up their existing home. And we should use punitive taxes on undeveloped land held by developers to discourage land banking and encourage building. Currently it is too much in their economic interest not to build many more houses than they do now because ever higher house prices maximises their returns. I disagree with you on right to buy. I think that should be suspended until such time as we have enough social housing to supply the need for it. And it has never sat well with me that those lucky enough to enjoy a cheap social rent also get the chance to buy very cheaply at a price hugely subsidised by the taxpayer, whilst those paying much higher private rents to start with get no such opportunity. I think when it comes to allowing right to buy again something should be done to extend such rights to private tenants too with some measure of limit to their rents, so that private tenants get a better deal that is much closer to the rights enjoyed by social tenants.
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Post by andrewbrown on May 22, 2023 11:57:30 GMT
Isn't it time they were forced to offer decent rates of interest on savings? 1/4 of their highest interest rate on loans / credit cards, should offer a good rate of interest. And forced to operate a quota of high street branches in order for the public to be adequately served? A lack of decent savings rates is causing people to invest in alternative ways, one of which is housing, and that is pushing prices up in an unsustainable way which must one day lead to an enormous house price crash. Rather than causing monumental levels of negative equity and a ferocious recession, lets nip this in the bud before it gets worse. Force the banks to start offering decent investment options that are not houses. And, as a way of stabilising the housing market further, build a new garden city. Make much of the housing stock council houses, keep right to buy, obligate councils to replace any sold off stock. I agree with a lot of that. It is indeed notable how the rates for borrowers are rocketing but the rates for lenders are not. And there is something very wrong there. I also know that were I to come into a lot of money for any reason and wanted it to at least maintain it's value, bunging it in a bank account would be the very worst thing to do. With inflation as high as it is and interest rates for savers minimal, any money in a bank account would lose two thirds of its real value in as little as a dozen years. If inflation came down its decline in value would be slower but still very real. Shares are too unpredictable. Buying property would be a no brainer. We have created a society and economy where investing in housing is by far the best option, which is diverting capital away from more economically fruitful investments. And this is fuelling runaway house price and private rent inflation year after year, with the near certainty that when this problem is tackled there is going to be a housing price crash. Refusing to do anything about the problem simply makes housing costs ever more unaffordable to ever more people, a fact which is contributing to the growing impoverishment of millions, and having a distorting and negative impact on the economy. If unchecked this will eventually lead to economic devastation and social unrest on a scale we have not seen for decades. It will lead to a rise in political extremism on both left and right. Yet the longer we delay solving the housing problem the worse the resulting crash that results from solving it will be. Some means of forcing decent interest rates for savers that bear some connection to the rates charged for borrowers would help but is only a small part of the bigger solution necessary. I agree we need to build a lot more housing, including a lot more social housing. But we also need to build a lot more genuinely affordable housing to buy. We need to ensure that the housing units being built are the ones we most need, rather than the ones which make the most profits for developers because the two are not always the same. All new affordable housing to buy should exclude housing investors like landlords and be restricted to first time buyers or people who need to move into an area from elsewhere for whatever reason resulting in them having to sell up their existing home. And we should use punitive taxes on undeveloped land help by developers to discourage land banking and encourage building. Currently it is too much in their economic interest not to build many more houses than they do now because ever higher house prices maximises their returns. I disagree with you on right to buy. I think that should be suspended until such time as we have enough social housing to supply the need for it. And it has never sat well with me that those lucky enough to enjoy a cheap social rent also get the chance to buy very cheaply at a price hugely subsidised by the taxpayer, whilst those paying much higher private rents to start with get no such opportunity. I think when it comes to allowing right to buy again something should be done to extend such rights to private tenants too with some measure of limit to their rents, so that private tenants get a better deal that is much closer to the rights enjoyed by social tenants. I'm with you, other than the definition of "affordable housing". Affordable housing as currently defined excludes a lot of workers. I think that it specifically needs to be classified as "social housing". We also need to ensure that our current housing stock is fit for purpose.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 12:03:39 GMT
I agree with a lot of that. It is indeed notable how the rates for borrowers are rocketing but the rates for lenders are not. And there is something very wrong there. I also know that were I to come into a lot of money for any reason and wanted it to at least maintain it's value, bunging it in a bank account would be the very worst thing to do. With inflation as high as it is and interest rates for savers minimal, any money in a bank account would lose two thirds of its real value in as little as a dozen years. If inflation came down its decline in value would be slower but still very real. Shares are too unpredictable. Buying property would be a no brainer. We have created a society and economy where investing in housing is by far the best option, which is diverting capital away from more economically fruitful investments. And this is fuelling runaway house price and private rent inflation year after year, with the near certainty that when this problem is tackled there is going to be a housing price crash. Refusing to do anything about the problem simply makes housing costs ever more unaffordable to ever more people, a fact which is contributing to the growing impoverishment of millions, and having a distorting and negative impact on the economy. If unchecked this will eventually lead to economic devastation and social unrest on a scale we have not seen for decades. It will lead to a rise in political extremism on both left and right. Yet the longer we delay solving the housing problem the worse the resulting crash that results from solving it will be. Some means of forcing decent interest rates for savers that bear some connection to the rates charged for borrowers would help but is only a small part of the bigger solution necessary. I agree we need to build a lot more housing, including a lot more social housing. But we also need to build a lot more genuinely affordable housing to buy. We need to ensure that the housing units being built are the ones we most need, rather than the ones which make the most profits for developers because the two are not always the same. All new affordable housing to buy should exclude housing investors like landlords and be restricted to first time buyers or people who need to move into an area from elsewhere for whatever reason resulting in them having to sell up their existing home. And we should use punitive taxes on undeveloped land help by developers to discourage land banking and encourage building. Currently it is too much in their economic interest not to build many more houses than they do now because ever higher house prices maximises their returns. I disagree with you on right to buy. I think that should be suspended until such time as we have enough social housing to supply the need for it. And it has never sat well with me that those lucky enough to enjoy a cheap social rent also get the chance to buy very cheaply at a price hugely subsidised by the taxpayer, whilst those paying much higher private rents to start with get no such opportunity. I think when it comes to allowing right to buy again something should be done to extend such rights to private tenants too with some measure of limit to their rents, so that private tenants get a better deal that is much closer to the rights enjoyed by social tenants. I'm with you, other than the definition of "affordable housing". Affordable housing as currently defined excludes a lot of workers. I think that it specifically needs to be classified as "social housing". We also need to ensure that our current housing stock is fit for purpose. I make a distinction between the two simply because I regard one as low cost housing to rent whilst the other ought to be low cost housing to buy. But the latter should be genuinely affordable with property investors excluded.
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Post by Vinny on May 22, 2023 12:18:49 GMT
SRB, I proposed a modification to right to buy, in which it is kept, because it by definition provides affordable housing. But the modification is an obligation upon councils to replace every house they sell with another, either bought, or built.
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Post by andrewbrown on May 22, 2023 20:17:41 GMT
SRB, I proposed a modification to right to buy, in which it is kept, because it by definition provides affordable housing. But the modification is an obligation upon councils to replace every house they sell with another, either bought, or built. That's exactly how it should have been, but the opposite happened and councils were not able to reinvest the money. Thatcher has a lot to answer for.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 20:23:38 GMT
SRB, I proposed a modification to right to buy, in which it is kept, because it by definition provides affordable housing. But the modification is an obligation upon councils to replace every house they sell with another, either bought, or built. I understand that. But we need the quantity of social housing to increase as fast as possible which is why I suggest the suspension of right to buy until we have enough of it. And I do struggle a little with the notion that those already enjoying the cheapest and most secure tenancies should be the ones prioritised for help to buy. I'd rather see an increased amount of social housing to rent with private tenants targeted much more with help to buy schemes. After all those already able to pay extortionate private rents would often find that a mortgage is cheaper. A deposit is the problem. Instead of using precious resources to help those in the most secure tenancies with the cheapest rents to buy, those resources would be better spent in the form of state loans to private tenants to put down a deposit somewhere. But to avoid this pushing prices ever higher, much more genuinely affordable housing to buy needs to be built too. Were right to buy to continue with massive discounts as at present, it represents resources being targeted towards those whose rental circumstances make it least pressing. Certainly, building like for like for every property sold off ought to be an absolute minimum. But this has already been promised without really ever being delivered. And if all we do is build enough to replace the social housing being sold off, we will never get the amount of social housing we need.
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Post by Toreador on May 22, 2023 20:23:42 GMT
SRB, I proposed a modification to right to buy, in which it is kept, because it by definition provides affordable housing. But the modification is an obligation upon councils to replace every house they sell with another, either bought, or built. That's exactly how it should have been, but the opposite happened and councils were not able to reinvest the money. Thatcher has a lot to answer for. Many councils were in financial deep shit and had to clear their debt before they could build new houses.
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Post by andrewbrown on May 22, 2023 20:30:05 GMT
That's exactly how it should have been, but the opposite happened and councils were not able to reinvest the money. Thatcher has a lot to answer for. Many councils were in financial deep shit and had to clear their debt before they could build new houses. They should have been able to reinvest the income in new stock. That way we would have more social housing, lower rents and councils would have both more assets and income.
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Post by Vinny on May 22, 2023 21:01:48 GMT
Reduced levels of Council Tax are also a benefit of right to buy.
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Post by Pacifico on May 22, 2023 21:51:16 GMT
Many councils were in financial deep shit and had to clear their debt before they could build new houses. They should have been able to reinvest the income in new stock. That way we would have more social housing, lower rents and councils would have both more assets and income. Councils were losing money from housing - hence the amount of debt they were carrying. Increasing housing simply meant more debt to be paid off by ratepayers.
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Post by Toreador on May 22, 2023 21:53:01 GMT
They should have been able to reinvest the income in new stock. That way we would have more social housing, lower rents and councils would have both more assets and income. Councils were losing money from housing - hence the amount of debt they were carrying. Increasing housing simply meant more debt to be paid off by ratepayers. Is the correct answer.
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