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Post by steppenwolf on May 22, 2023 6:19:12 GMT
I was watching some black muslim on "kuenssberg" yesterday prattling on about stopping oil - BTW isn't this the most boring political program ever, worse even than Marr - and everyone was agreeing with her - of course. I was thinking that it's about time someone started challenging this nonsense, because oil is obviously the greenest fuel available. It's far greener than the so-called renewables (solar and wind) which rely on building solar panels out of toxic metals or gigantic wind turbines which take huge amounts of energy to build and maintain.
By contrast oil is totally green. It was created solely from the energy of the Sun which was captured by the leaves of various plants. The plants then used photosynthesis to take CO2 from the air and water from the ground to create carbohydrates that were eventually rotted down to form oil. So it's simply formed by abstracting CO2 from the air and storing the Sun's energy.
The only problem is that we're using it more quickly than the planet can create more. But that's because we've over-populated the planet. That's the real problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 6:47:03 GMT
I was watching some black muslim on "kuenssberg" yesterday prattling on about stopping oil - BTW isn't this the most boring political program ever, worse even than Marr - and everyone was agreeing with her - of course. I was thinking that it's about time someone started challenging this nonsense, because oil is obviously the greenest fuel available. It's far greener than the so-called renewables (solar and wind) which rely on building solar panels out of toxic metals or gigantic wind turbines which take huge amounts of energy to build and maintain. By contrast oil is totally green. It was created solely from the energy of the Sun which was captured by the leaves of various plants. The plants then used photosynthesis to take CO2 from the air and water from the ground to create carbohydrates that were eventually rotted down to form oil. So it's simply formed by abstracting CO2 from the air and storing the Sun's energy. The only problem is that we're using it more quickly than the planet can create more. But that's because we've over-populated the planet. That's the real problem. Your understanding is remarkable in it's ignorance. Oil and oil based products, when used release all sorts of harmful, toxic gases into the atmosphere whence it builds up and greatest a greenhouse situation. Once built 'green' solutions produce much less toxic gases that oil based products. There is some 'downside' to the building of the structures needed to produce these projects but they are far less than pumping tons of CO2 into the air every minute. |
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Post by steppenwolf on May 22, 2023 6:56:27 GMT
It's you who's ignorant. For a start CO2 is not toxic - in fact it's essential to human life. And the CO2 that's released when we burn oil is simply the CO2 that was captured by plants to make the oil in the first place. And the CO2 released is used by plants to create more.
And the refinement of, for example, petrol car engines nowadays is such that the emissions are completely non-toxic. It's just water and CO2. Also there's no proof that the overall effect of CO2 causes heating in the Earth's system. Wakey wakey.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 8:19:07 GMT
It's you who's ignorant. For a start CO2 is not toxic - in fact it's essential to human life. And the CO2 that's released when we burn oil is simply the CO2 that was captured by plants to make the oil in the first place. And the CO2 released is used by plants to create more. And the refinement of, for example, petrol car engines nowadays is such that the emissions are completely non-toxic. It's just water and CO2. Also there's no proof that the overall effect of CO2 causes heating in the Earth's system. Wakey wakey. "The toxicity of carbon dioxide has been established for close to a century. A number of animal experiments have explored both acute and long-term toxicity with respect to the lungs, the cardiovascular system, and the bladder, showing inflammatory and possible carcinogenic effects." CO2 Does not make oil, the decomposition plant based materials make oil. CO2 is 'collected' from the atmosphere by plants which in turn produce oxygen. CO2 in the atmosphere reduces the heat output at ground level, heat cannot get out and is built up on consecutive days, ask any Venusian. |
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Post by steppenwolf on May 22, 2023 9:45:43 GMT
It's you who's ignorant. For a start CO2 is not toxic - in fact it's essential to human life. And the CO2 that's released when we burn oil is simply the CO2 that was captured by plants to make the oil in the first place. And the CO2 released is used by plants to create more. And the refinement of, for example, petrol car engines nowadays is such that the emissions are completely non-toxic. It's just water and CO2. Also there's no proof that the overall effect of CO2 causes heating in the Earth's system. Wakey wakey. "The toxicity of carbon dioxide has been established for close to a century. A number of animal experiments have explored both acute and long-term toxicity with respect to the lungs, the cardiovascular system, and the bladder, showing inflammatory and possible carcinogenic effects." CO2 Does not make oil, the decomposition plant based materials make oil. CO2 is 'collected' from the atmosphere by plants which in turn produce oxygen. CO2 in the atmosphere reduces the heat output at ground level, heat cannot get out and is built up on consecutive days, ask any Venusian. It's no wonder that the CO2 theory of climate change has gained so much traction. It's because so many people have so little understanding of the very basics of chemistry. - CO2 is an essential trace element without which there would be no animal life on the planet. It's essential for photosynthesis and respiration - without which animals die. Anything can be "toxic" in high concentrations but we currently have about 0.04% CO2 in the atmosphere - which is historically quite low. - CO2 DOES make oil. Every molecule of carbon in oil came from CO2. - Yes, plants produce oxygen by releasing the oxygen from CO2. Well done. You've got one thing right. - Like I said CO2 has a warming effect (the greenhouse effect) but it also has a cooling effect caused by photosynthesis and transpiration. The Earth is a buffered system and the two effects tend to maintain an equilibrium. I repeat what I said - oil is the greenest energy we have. And we should take advantage of it - not vilify it. The "Stop oil" idiots are working to destroy the country. I'm sure some of them know that this is true, but probably most do not. They're just useful idiots like you. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 10:15:32 GMT
"The toxicity of carbon dioxide has been established for close to a century. A number of animal experiments have explored both acute and long-term toxicity with respect to the lungs, the cardiovascular system, and the bladder, showing inflammatory and possible carcinogenic effects." CO2 Does not make oil, the decomposition plant based materials make oil. CO2 is 'collected' from the atmosphere by plants which in turn produce oxygen. CO2 in the atmosphere reduces the heat output at ground level, heat cannot get out and is built up on consecutive days, ask any Venusian. It's no wonder that the CO2 theory of climate change has gained so much traction. It's because so many people have so little understanding of the very basics of chemistry. - CO2 is an essential trace element without which there would be no animal life on the planet. It's essential for photosynthesis and respiration - without which animals die. Anything can be "toxic" in high concentrations but we currently have about 0.04% CO2 in the atmosphere - which is historically quite low. - CO2 DOES make oil. Every molecule of carbon in oil came from CO2. - Yes, plants produce oxygen by releasing the oxygen from CO2. Well done. You've got one thing right. - Like I said CO2 has a warming effect (the greenhouse effect) but it also has a cooling effect caused by photosynthesis and transpiration. The Earth is a buffered system and the two effects tend to maintain an equilibrium. I repeat what I said - oil is the greenest energy we have. And we should take advantage of it - not vilify it. The "Stop oil" idiots are working to destroy the country. I'm sure some of them know that this is true, but probably most do not. They're just useful idiots like you. You have just counter argued your own argument.🤣 |
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Post by steppenwolf on May 22, 2023 10:33:30 GMT
It's an essential trace gas. "trace" means it's present in small proportion. But if there were none, we'd all be dead.
And oil is still the greenest fuel we've ever had - or will ever get. Not using it is crazy.
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Post by Vinny on May 22, 2023 10:45:03 GMT
Crude oil is fossilised fish oil.
Coal is fossilised wood.
The big big problem is we've cut down so many trees and we emit so much CO2, the atmosphere is being affected.
If we had natural levels of forestation, we wouldn't have the climate change problems.
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Post by steppenwolf on May 22, 2023 13:18:24 GMT
If we had natural levels of forestation, we wouldn't have the climate change problems. It's a possible theory but not one that has ever been proved. A more likely theory is that the fact that the Earth has warmed up by 1.1C since 1850 is caused by the fact that the human population was about 1 billion in 1850 and is now over 7 billion. But none of this is relevant to the fact that oil is the greenest fuel we've got. And it's about time we started appreciating that fact and started ignoring disinformation from those who are seeking to destabilise our economy. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 15:31:14 GMT
I remember when Iraq burned its oilfields, everyone was clapping and rejoicing, saying "how green is that!".  Edited to add that the OP sounds a bit like an argument that eating beef is vegetarian, because cows eat grass. Now, I don't believe in AGW, but I don't believe in baloney, either.  |
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