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Post by B0ycey on Oct 24, 2022 21:21:16 GMT
There is no point with Ukraine to the West but to burn up Russian artillery to such an extent that they cannot go further into Europe than the Donbass which now is the case. At some point Ukraine will be dumped like the Kurds were when the cost of arming them becomes unsustainable which for the UK at least may have been passed now. The truth is where the fighting is taking place has been in a civil war for the past eight years and rather than funding Ukraine into pushing Russia back further (if that is even possible once they have taken Kherson) we should be pushing for talks because the Ukrainians that are being affected by the fighting, many are Russian speakers who are pro Moscow along with those who are pro Keiv. Russia has indicated they are willing to talk so I don't understand why we aren't pushing that. This conflict can't be won on the battlefield given this is a war of heritage so the only ending that is possible under peace is a resolution. The quicker the West understand that, the better our economy will be. As far as authoritarian dictatorships are concerned Might is Right. Democracies must never allow themselves to become second best to such dictatorships. One could argue that "might is right" is the reason the West has been able to enter so many illegal wars with impunity. The only difference to Ukraine compared to say Kosovo/Serbia is which side has backed which cause given the cause is self determination in both conflicts. I am not writing this as a post of support for war as in my opinion Russia should have exhausted all diplomatic channels before invading. But the notion that Russian doesn't have concerns in terms of their own security and that of the Russian speaking population in Donbass is frankly absurd. If Zelensky is so sure he is liberating this area he should be talking with Russia for a UN led referendum and let the people decide. He could also discuss something which was already signed which was the Minsk agreement. Zelensky has cards in his hand and he should be talking with Russia to see what hand he can make. If he decides to ignore his hand, not only will Russia continue to bomb their electrical infrastructure and freeze them during the Winter, he is also relying on the West funding his war. I doubt the UK can do so for much longer unless Sunak really want austerity to bite hard and if that is true here, it is true for Europe as well. Negotiations are never easy and you can never get what you want from them. The truth is the country should have been split 8 years ago in any case. |
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Post by sword on Oct 24, 2022 22:23:13 GMT
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Post by brexitcrusader83 on Oct 25, 2022 0:19:30 GMT
You do know China and North Korea have intercontinental class missiles don't you. You do know that we have to be prepared to act to defend our allies and strategic suppliers don't you. China has hypersonic nukes that could reach us in about a min. However N Koreas ICBMs might detonate on the launch pad lol. I genuinely believe rocket man will accidentally nuke his own country one day. |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 25, 2022 0:49:59 GMT
You do know China and North Korea have intercontinental class missiles don't you. You do know that we have to be prepared to act to defend our allies and strategic suppliers don't you. China has hypersonic nukes that could reach us in about a min. However N Koreas ICBMs might detonate on the launch pad lol. I genuinely believe rocket man will accidentally nuke his own country one day. 5,000 miles in a minute? I think you need to re-do the maths on that one  . Hypersonic nukes are scary though because they are designed to fly low and fast so you get less warning. The current system relies on the US President / UK Prime Minister being informed of a launch, having a conference call with their generals, making a decision, and then it takes 5 mins to launch from land, 15 mins from a sub. In a world of Hypersonic nukes the process will probably have to be automated so that it can react quickly enough to be a deterrent. |
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Post by brexitcrusader83 on Oct 25, 2022 2:37:45 GMT
China has hypersonic nukes that could reach us in about a min. However N Koreas ICBMs might detonate on the launch pad lol. I genuinely believe rocket man will accidentally nuke his own country one day. 5,000 miles in a minute? I think you need to re-do the maths on that one . Hypersonic nukes are scary though because they are designed to fly low and fast so you get less warning. The current system relies on the US President / UK Prime Minister being informed of a launch, having a conference call with their generals, making a decision, and then it takes 5 mins to launch from land, 15 mins from a sub. In a world of Hypersonic nukes the process will probably have to be automated so that it can react quickly enough to be a deterrent. My apologies its 3.6 minutes |
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Post by Steve on Oct 25, 2022 9:19:59 GMT
Did you read beyond the headline? Close to junk grade article. Interesting though that it mentions the disastrous Ajax programme (the successor to the hapless FRES programme). A classic example of what happens when you have too few experts in the MoD to properly write a spec and properly monitor contractor execution which has been poor. They asked for a lightweight rapidly deployable set of vehicles based on off the shelf options, then they started adding in all sorts of requirements which the contractor unwisely said yes to without properly looking at the implications. But £300B? Nah |
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