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Post by dappy on Oct 24, 2022 12:24:32 GMT
Currently we spend about 2% of our entire GDP on "defence spending".
Our economy is in crisis with the likelihood of severe spending cuts to the likes of health, education and welfare highly likely. Those services are all currently in crisis.
The lesson of Ukraine is that the one "enemy" that appeared to pose a threat to the UK has turned out to be a paper tiger. They cant win a ground war against their neighbour. It is surely inconceivable that they could make their way across Europe to invade and conquer the UK.
It is hard to think of another credible threat.
Truss promised that defence spending would be increased to 3%. Wallace is still pushing for that.
What are your views on how much we should spend on "defence"
a) 1.5%
b) 2%
c) 3%
d) some other figure
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 12:38:18 GMT
The one enemy that poses a threat to us is Russia?
You forgot about China?
And on a smaller scale, what about Iran? NK? And many others as they destabilise..?
We should keep spending at the current amount during this time of crisis.
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Post by Steve on Oct 24, 2022 12:51:13 GMT
I can't see a world running ever lower of space, oil, water and food getting anything other than less stable
3% for me
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Post by dappy on Oct 24, 2022 12:53:23 GMT
Are you suggesting you believe it is possible that China or Iran or North Korea will sail around the world and invade the UK?
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Post by Steve on Oct 24, 2022 12:56:55 GMT
You do know China and North Korea have intercontinental class missiles don't you. You do know that we have to be prepared to act to defend our allies and strategic suppliers don't you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 12:57:19 GMT
Are you suggesting you believe it is possible that China or Iran or North Korea will sail around the world and invade the UK? You really know how to post smart things.  Your name suits you.
No I'm suggesting that North Korea pose a threat to the whole world - which includes us - with missiles, just like China do with their arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons in future wars and Iran pose a disinformation threat (we have an Army Disinfo unit who needs funding ya know) and in trying to mess with us in a bunch of areas.
Don't forget proxy wars they are fighting around the globe - and the scramble for Africa which China and Iran are heavily engaged in, that means destabilising lots of countries - countries who's population will flee the terror and end up here as refugees.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 24, 2022 13:09:56 GMT
I think about 1% we have enough nuclear arms
And if it was upto me I would dispanend the Armed services and rely on territorials as such
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 13:13:45 GMT
This forum just gets better by the minute.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 24, 2022 13:21:54 GMT
Currently we spend about 2% of our entire GDP on "defence spending". Our economy is in crisis with the likelihood of severe spending cuts to the likes of health, education and welfare highly likely. Those services are all currently in crisis. The lesson of Ukraine is that the one "enemy" that appeared to pose a threat to the UK has turned out to be a paper tiger. They cant win a ground war against their neighbour. It is surely inconceivable that they could make their way across Europe to invade and conquer the UK. It is hard to think of another credible threat. Truss promised that defence spending would be increased to 3%. Wallace is still pushing for that. What are your views on how much we should spend on "defence" a) 1.5% b) 2% c) 3% d) some other figure Perhaps you should think before you type, why did Hitler invade his neighbours, simple he had the Military might to do so he had modern weapons and modern war planes fighting ships and submarines they did not, a well-armed nation is less likely to be attacked by another. We do not have a large standing Army, Navy or Airforce but we do have four Nuclear Subs which is our deterrent, why do you think Mad Dog Putin attacked the Ukraine, because they had disposed of their nuclear weapons, and he thought he could just roll his tanks right into Kyiv within days, if the Ukraine had joined Nato, he may not have invaded Ukraine As soon as we can we and can afford it we need to bolster up our defences and Armed Forces which will not be cheap, providing that Mad Dog Putin does not go nuclear before we can, he may start a World War that nobody can win, China is on the brink of invading Tiawan if they do the Yanks will come to their aid as will Nato |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 24, 2022 13:22:52 GMT
This forum just gets better by the minute.
Whyl whats wrong with having a substaial well trained TA to defefend this land against invasion look at Switzerland cant say they have a substiaial armed service especally during ww2 |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 24, 2022 13:28:32 GMT
This forum just gets better by the minute.
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Post by dappy on Oct 24, 2022 13:50:00 GMT
Oh I have thought long and hard Handyman (dont really understand the deleted poster bit so will ignore him).
China certainly, possibly North Korea, have nuclear missiles. What difference would spending 1.5%, 2% or 3% of our GDP make to that reality. If you believe the so-called "independent" nuclear deterrent protects us from them, keep them and cut other defence spending.
It is not Britain's job to pretend to act as world policeman. We are nowhere near big enough anyway. If the US wants to fight China over Taiwan, let them. No reason for us to waste our resources on someone else's war.
2% is probably too much, certainly no case for increasing it IMHO
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Post by sword on Oct 24, 2022 14:13:04 GMT
Currently we spend about 2% of our entire GDP on "defence spending". Our economy is in crisis with the likelihood of severe spending cuts to the likes of health, education and welfare highly likely. Those services are all currently in crisis. The lesson of Ukraine is that the one "enemy" that appeared to pose a threat to the UK has turned out to be a paper tiger. They cant win a ground war against their neighbour. It is surely inconceivable that they could make their way across Europe to invade and conquer the UK. It is hard to think of another credible threat. Truss promised that defence spending would be increased to 3%. Wallace is still pushing for that. What are your views on how much we should spend on "defence" a) 1.5% b) 2% c) 3% d) some other figure Its called the industrial military complex,you should read what General Smedley Butler said,war is a racket,follow the money. |
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Post by sword on Oct 24, 2022 14:14:45 GMT
You do know China and North Korea have intercontinental class missiles don't you. You do know that we have to be prepared to act to defend our allies and strategic suppliers don't you. Well it might be a good idea not to continue pissing them off. |
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Post by sword on Oct 24, 2022 14:17:09 GMT
Are you suggesting you believe it is possible that China or Iran or North Korea will sail around the world and invade the UK? You really know how to post smart things. Your name suits you.
No I'm suggesting that North Korea pose a threat to the whole world - which includes us - with missiles, just like China do with their arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons in future wars and Iran pose a disinformation threat (we have an Army Disinfo unit who needs funding ya know) and in trying to mess with us in a bunch of areas.
Don't forget proxy wars they are fighting around the globe - and the scramble for Africa which China and Iran are heavily engaged in, that means destabilising lots of countries - countries who's population will flee the terror and end up here as refugees.
No it means doing business with other Countries instead of looting them like some Colonialists did for a couple of hundred years,some are still at it,the Americans are stealing Syrian oil as we speak. |
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