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Post by buccaneer on May 23, 2023 8:52:30 GMT
Lol. It's clearly had an effect on a few members here. It wasn't one of Kim, Darling or Gnome was it? Some are still hearing voices. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 23, 2023 8:52:36 GMT
I shared ONS data on exports proving Brexit has been a success, but you weren't interested. So why is it not reflected in everyday life? Errr there's a war raging in Russia/Ukraine, we are recovering from a Covid pandemic.... need I go on.
It's very convenient for remoaners to blame all this on Brexit, but we know otherwise, well the intelligent ones do.
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Post by Dubdrifter on May 23, 2023 8:55:16 GMT
The conditions of Brexit we voted for weren’t actioned … so Brexit never failed … successive UK Administrations failed the British Public …. that is where the failure was. …. The Theory of Brexit was sound … The Conspiracy FACT shows deliberate sabotage. The naive dreams attached to Brexit were very misleading, the reality has now to be faced up to, and blaming anyone or anything for the failures of the UK MUST STOP if we are going to make any progress. None of which will stop your posted conspiracy mindset from continuing to mislead you. Don’t be naive to think the blame for failure to execute the realities possible with Brexit will ever stop. This wasn’t a dream … and the Conspiracy of failure to execute what the British Public wanted and voted for … is also REAL … BREXIT still hasn’t been delivered in any shape or form discussed by the Public … but will be eventually …. if we decide … or are forced by MP’s to go to war to restore our Democracy. We know from this …. ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/thread/2638/proof-westminster-parliament-longer-purpose…. our political system is broken … many Members on here are in denial … and refuse to discuss it … failure to do so will eventually, sadly, inevitably, tragically, v. likely lead to CIVIL WAR in the UK. That is a Prophesy … not a Conspiracy Theory. |
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Post by Vinny on May 23, 2023 9:03:33 GMT
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Post by Toreador on May 23, 2023 9:17:02 GMT
That is possibly why so many 'Outers' are so confused these days. lol, the Remnant neurosis lives on but if Starmer the Keir gets in and works his oracle, you'll all be crowing about wonderful Brexit |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 23, 2023 9:40:08 GMT
Absolutely correct. How on earth can Brexit succeed when politicians on both sides of the house are determined to undermine it. I know Sunak voted to leave but he was never a committed Brexiteer, he's a globalist, like Starmer he likes the WEF and the EU. The fact that he is keeping thousands of EU laws that just months ago he promised to scrap and he seems unconcerned about immigration, is testament to that. I'm tempted to ask, does he know there's a general election next year. I have my doubts about Sunak, and this is why.
His wife comes from a wealthy powerful family, and the Sunak's are wealthy in their own right, so we know Sunak isn't in it for the money, so there's only two things that make people tick over he's already got one of them, and now he has the other power.
Blair for example, didn't have a pot to piss in when he first became PM, but look at him now, £70million and that's what we know of, and that doesn't include his property empire, or Mrs Blair's money.
Sunak just like Blair will be looking ahead after he is PM, for himself and his family, so he's making all the right connections now, and pleasing all the right people, making his family even more wealthy and more powerful, and that's why you are seeing a lack of progress on anything that is effecting the ordinary people of the UK, he's not interested, and it's becoming even more obvious.
You may be right, alas Sunak seems incapable of seeing he is heading for electoral disaster. He is indeed, in many respects just like Blair, and that's his problem. The only chance of electoral success he has, or had, was moving the Tories back to their more traditional stomping ground, back to the centre right to create clear water between the Tories and Labour. But it seems it's not going to happen. Sunak is happy to fight this election on Labours turf, on the centre ground, which will be a disaster. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 23, 2023 10:02:13 GMT
I have my doubts about Sunak, and this is why.
His wife comes from a wealthy powerful family, and the Sunak's are wealthy in their own right, so we know Sunak isn't in it for the money, so there's only two things that make people tick over he's already got one of them, and now he has the other power.
Blair for example, didn't have a pot to piss in when he first became PM, but look at him now, £70million and that's what we know of, and that doesn't include his property empire, or Mrs Blair's money.
Sunak just like Blair will be looking ahead after he is PM, for himself and his family, so he's making all the right connections now, and pleasing all the right people, making his family even more wealthy and more powerful, and that's why you are seeing a lack of progress on anything that is effecting the ordinary people of the UK, he's not interested, and it's becoming even more obvious.
You may be right, alas Sunak seems incapable of seeing he is heading for electoral disaster. He is indeed, in many respects just like Blair, and that's his problem. The only chance of electoral success he has, or had, was moving the Tories back to their more traditional stomping ground, back to the centre right to create clear water between the Tories and Labour. But it seems it's not going to happen. Sunak is happy to fight this election on Labours turf, on the centre ground, which will be a disaster. The rioting has began, this normally spreads across the country, you can feel the unrest in the air, the police are becoming powerless, it's like they've just given up.
The Tories are in trouble, we keep wondering when they are going to sort things out, illegal migrants, inflation, energy bills, rising mortgages, and so on, to think they are going to put the UK at risk by handing the keys to a Labour government is reckless, that is what will happen if they don't get to grips with these problems, time is running out for them.
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Post by bancroft on May 23, 2023 12:03:55 GMT
What is becoming clear to me through growing corporate power we were heading towards a world government possibly controlled through Smart Tech to keep most hamstrung economically while the elites continued having their private jets and helicopters. While this was being engineered interest rates were artificially kept low to benefit corporates for approx 25 years.
With Brexit for once a reasonably powerful country had to listen to their electorate and the global world government crowd were not happy it might catch on as sovereignty was a big challenge to their push for global dominance.
Now it has not caught on elsewhere though there are rumblings in other countries about the EU yet as the world government tried to pull Ukraine into its sphere Russia reacted and through up another spanner and was joined by China and now other BRICs so rates have gone up to protect the USD and also dampen domestic demand in the West to harm China as the key ally supporting Russia.
So following COV-ID and now Ukraine we have a kind of Brexit yet still under the yoke of supra-national bodies politically.
I'm not sure how we measure Brexit as a success or failure in this scenario what we can say is project fear was wrong yet so many jobs went due to COV-ID on top of some jobs going to the EU. Now high interest rates are creating bank crises and reducing investment.
UK is pushing high immigration under the blanket of illegal immigration probably to boost the economy in the short run by college income and them bringin in funds.
UK bizarrely is not pushing tourism by ignoring demands to remove tourist taxes?
Not sure what is ahead >1-6 years ahead another country might pull away from the EU.
Proxy war in Ukraine might become hot, though even if not sanctions to persist.
Trade war with China is likely to get worse.
UK economy will improve though by how much is not known as trade deals around the world start to provide dividends.
Unknown is political instability in Western economies and how that will shape other events.
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Post by Pacifico on May 23, 2023 17:38:05 GMT
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Post by buccaneer on May 23, 2023 20:18:03 GMT
So many whoppers on here rely on IMF forecasts to play down Brexit. |
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Post by see2 on May 24, 2023 6:58:49 GMT
We're out of the economic Darwinist Single Market. EU free movement is over. Unemployment is down. Wages have gone up. We're out of the Customs Union and the one size fits none Common External Tariff. We're able to negotiate FTAs and have. Exports have gone up in value. Every problem that being in the EU was causing us, has been addressed. There's still work to do on fixing our country, but it's been a good start so far. These so called problems were not problems for Germany in the past, now I wonder why that was. |
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Post by see2 on May 24, 2023 7:03:13 GMT
avoid recession this year. So recession was a possible that needed to be avoided. Meanwhile economic catch-up with the more successful EU countries, is still required.
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Post by Vinny on May 24, 2023 7:03:42 GMT
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Post by see2 on May 24, 2023 7:11:41 GMT
Being in the EU has not stopped Germany adjusting to economic vagaries in the past. |
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Post by Vinny on May 24, 2023 7:23:20 GMT
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