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Post by oracle75 on Jun 22, 2023 9:13:07 GMT
Checking the export sales from before the referendum, with an inflation calculator against present sales shows that it is not 'mere inflation', because anything less than the value of what we used to sell (adjusted for inflation) would indicate failure. £340 billion is well above the pre referendum threshold. If we had stayed in, if we'd continued at 2015 performance, we'd be selling £287 billion to the EU, or less, and remoaners would be deleriously happy. All that mattered to them was free movement and EU citizenship. The fact that our country was in decline didn't bother them at all. Utter bollox. It uses 7 year old points of comparison and ignores QE and the other pressures on the pound since 2015. Vinny is still wandering in a foggy uplands trying to make unicorns out of dead branches. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 22, 2023 9:37:29 GMT
Thank you for the boost.
Thank you for helping to share the good news that we're selling £53 billion above the inflation adjusted sales to the EU pre referendum.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 22, 2023 10:54:37 GMT
So why do Eurostat use Euros when they publish their stats on EU economic performance? Are they trying to hoodwink you? The information is for the consumption of the EU. When you can prove that such information is not available as shown in different formats, we might have a discussion. And our export data from the ONS is for the consumption of the UK - hence its in Sterling rather than a foreign currency we dont use. |
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Post by patman post on Jun 22, 2023 11:16:52 GMT
Doesn't feel like being better off.
There's high energy costs, reduced medical care, soaring mortgage interest, increasing rents, housing shortage, cost of living rising month on month, increasing air, river and sea pollution, high taxation, etc, etc, etc.
Was it all this bad a decade ago...?
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Post by Vinny on Jun 22, 2023 11:24:55 GMT
Doesn't feel like being better off.
There's high energy costs, reduced medical care, soaring mortgage interest, increasing rents, housing shortage, cost of living rising month on month, increasing air, river and sea pollution, high taxation, etc, etc, etc.
Was it all this bad a decade ago...?
Nothing to do with Brexit, everything to do with the war in Ukraine and the legacy of Covid debts. There were housing shortages when we were members of the EU. There were food bank users when we were in the EU. There were even homeless Eastern Europeans DYING on our streets for fucks sake. Is that acceptable? Is that a price worth paying membership for? No. There was air, river and sea pollution when we were in the EU. Do you remember the Somerset levels flooding, and all the sewage that was released? There was high taxation when we were in the EU. But a decade ago, our exports to the EU were far far less: www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uk-overseas-trade-statistics-eu-december-2013Have a look at the stats.
Brexit solved some things but there's a lot more work needs doing.
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 22, 2023 16:01:19 GMT
The information is for the consumption of the EU. When you can prove that such information is not available as shown in different formats, we might have a discussion. And our export data from the ONS is for the consumption of the UK - hence its in Sterling rather than a foreign currency we dont use. The information was for UK consuumption. The truth is contextual and has to be gauged according to one currency across the trading world....the dollar. It is no good saying the UK has sold more than 3 years ago when the ROW sold far more as a percentage of its original gdp over the same time. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 22, 2023 16:07:02 GMT
And our export data from the ONS is for the consumption of the UK - hence its in Sterling rather than a foreign currency we dont use. The information was for UK consuumption. The truth is contextual and has to be gauged according to one currency across the trading world....the dollar. It is no good saying the UK has sold more than 3 years ago when the ROW sold far more as a percentage of its original gdp over the same time. Link to these stats? |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 22, 2023 16:20:28 GMT
Dont be silly.
I spoke of a principle generally accepted in discussions about economics.
It is of course why and declarations concerning international comparisons are done in dollars, not the currencies of the individual country.
There has to be a fixed point against which other currencies mark and make comparisons.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 22, 2023 17:34:48 GMT
OK - then if you want it in Dollars I can do that. Although I would just point out that the GBP to USD exchange rate today is almost exactly the same as it was 3 years ago (approx $1.28 to the Pound).
So I'm not quite sure what doing the conversion would prove.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 22, 2023 18:50:09 GMT
The fact that the GBP USD and GBP Euro exchange rate is a lot better than it was 10 years ago, has resulted in a huge amount more trade than we previously had with other countries.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 23, 2023 8:44:16 GMT
And things could be a lot worse had we stayed in the EU:
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Post by Vinny on Jun 23, 2023 10:06:13 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Jun 24, 2023 10:54:50 GMT
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Post by patman post on Jun 24, 2023 12:50:55 GMT
Doesn't feel like being better off.
There's high energy costs, reduced medical care, soaring mortgage interest, increasing rents, housing shortage, cost of living rising month on month, increasing air, river and sea pollution, high taxation, etc, etc, etc.
Was it all this bad a decade ago...?
Nothing to do with Brexit, everything to do with the war in Ukraine and the legacy of Covid debts. There were housing shortages when we were members of the EU. There were food bank users when we were in the EU. There were even homeless Eastern Europeans DYING on our streets for fucks sake. Is that acceptable? Is that a price worth paying membership for? No. There was air, river and sea pollution when we were in the EU. Do you remember the Somerset levels flooding, and all the sewage that was released? There was high taxation when we were in the EU. But a decade ago, our exports to the EU were far far less: www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uk-overseas-trade-statistics-eu-december-2013Have a look at the stats.
Brexit solved some things but there's a lot more work needs doing.
But does the voting public feel better off than before Brexit, and can it feel any Brexit bonus in its pocket?
And all the while, Tory mouthpieces keep parroting what wonderful things have been or are being achieved and blaming everyone else for what's going wrong or not happening.
If Labour comes into the election hammering home the simple question: "Are you better off than you were in 2010?" and the Tories base all their campaign on hope, they have to remember Starmer isn't frightening like Corby...
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Post by Vinny on Jun 25, 2023 18:20:48 GMT
The voting public has been made poorer by the Covid crisis and the war in Ukraine, it's the same all across the civilised world, including the USA.
So how do you explain inflation happening in the USA?
How do you explain higher energy bills there?
You remoaners are just desperately clutching at straws trying to show that the UK is failing.
The Eurozone is in recession, we aren't. Explain that if it's Brexit?!
Come on, the remoan cabinet is bare.
All they have left are lies.
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