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Post by see2 on May 23, 2023 8:53:45 GMT
Every time we reach the so called Laffer curve ceiling they simply raise it. For all intense and purposes it exists in name only, like unicorns. As for a wealth tax, many wealthy people derive much of the income simply from increases in asset values, getting richer each year just from owning things like land and property. They have no need to sell these items and pay tax on that sale, its dead money sitting with people who already have so much they cannot spend it. Oh we want a wealth tax now - must be due to the stunning success of the one they had in France..  Your point means nothing without the information of what the French wealth tax entailed. |
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Post by Toreador on May 23, 2023 9:32:23 GMT
You have a link that says the standing charge is for that amount of investment?And that’ll be a no then Effectively it is, it is to renew and maintain the water supply infrastructure. |
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Post by wapentake on May 23, 2023 9:41:44 GMT
Effectively it is, it is to renew and maintain the water supply infrastructure. That’s great but I was asking him about the standing charges on energy meters which he is well aware of. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 23, 2023 10:31:16 GMT
You have a link that says the standing charge is for that amount of investment? And that’ll be a no then Investment is paid for by income - the standing charge, along with your metered costs, is income. |
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Post by wapentake on May 23, 2023 10:45:27 GMT
Investment is paid for by income - the standing charge, along with your metered costs, is income. And as said you cannot answer straight,I asked you about the massive increase in the standing charge you waffled and answered investment which you know is untrue,the increase in the standing charge is to pay for the companies that went down taking customers money because it’s a failed privatisation with a toothless regulator |
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Post by Pacifico on May 23, 2023 10:50:26 GMT
Investment is paid for by income - the standing charge, along with your metered costs, is income. And as said you cannot answer straight,I asked you about the massive increase in the standing charge you waffled and answered investment which you know is untrue,the increase in the standing charge is to pay for the companies that went down taking customers money because it’s a failed privatisation with a toothless regulator Of course its not untrue - the extra investment has to be paid for by the consumer. Hence you are paying more. There is no such thing as a free lunch. |
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Post by wapentake on May 23, 2023 10:58:42 GMT
And as said you cannot answer straight,I asked you about the massive increase in the standing charge you waffled and answered investment which you know is untrue,the increase in the standing charge is to pay for the companies that went down taking customers money because it’s a failed privatisation with a toothless regulator Of course its not untrue - the extra investment has to be paid for by the consumer. Hence you are paying more. There is no such thing as a free lunch. For the final time the increase is not investment it is to cover the failed companies that went down,if you can somehow show that is an investment to benefit customers please do. |
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Post by Toreador on May 23, 2023 11:13:49 GMT
Effectively it is, it is to renew and maintain the water supply infrastructure. That’s great but I was asking him about the standing charges on energy meters which he is well aware of. It's the same thing, it's to finance and maintain the infrastructure. Having said that, those charges are outside the remit of the watchdogs and I suspect they're on a rip-off........again. |
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Post by wapentake on May 23, 2023 11:16:55 GMT
That’s great but I was asking him about the standing charges on energy meters which he is well aware of. It's the same thing, it's to finance and maintain the infrastructure. Having said that, those charges are outside the remit of the watchdogs and I suspect they're on a rip-off........again. Sorry but it is,not the increase is to cover companies that failed,that is not an investment it’s robbing consumers to pay for a failed privatisation. |
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Post by zanygame on May 23, 2023 16:30:14 GMT
Effectively it is, it is to renew and maintain the water supply infrastructure. That's what they had the original 20% price increase in 2000 for. It was to replace the Thames sewage system and add new reservoirs. But they found a better use for it in lining their pockets, to make them watertight. file:///C:/Users/laptop1/Downloads/assembly-reports-pubserv-water%20(2).pdf |
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Post by Pacifico on May 23, 2023 16:46:42 GMT
Of course its not untrue - the extra investment has to be paid for by the consumer. Hence you are paying more. There is no such thing as a free lunch. For the final time the increase is not investment it is to cover the failed companies that went down,if you can somehow show that is an investment to benefit customers please do. What companies went down? - I'm not aware of a single water company that has gone bust in my lifetime. |
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Post by wapentake on May 23, 2023 17:30:38 GMT
For the final time the increase is not investment it is to cover the failed companies that went down,if you can somehow show that is an investment to benefit customers please do. What companies went down? - I'm not aware of a single water company that has gone bust in my lifetime. You on the wind up,would’ve thought you’d know better. You also know full well which standing charges I refer to or have the attention span of a goldfish and are aware the discussion moved on to other utilities. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 23, 2023 17:39:03 GMT
What companies went down? - I'm not aware of a single water company that has gone bust in my lifetime. You on the wind up,would’ve thought you’d know better. You also know full well which standing charges I refer to or have the attention span of a goldfish and are aware the discussion moved on to other utilities. So what are the standing charges on water bills used for? |
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Post by wapentake on May 23, 2023 17:49:08 GMT
You on the wind up,would’ve thought you’d know better. You also know full well which standing charges I refer to or have the attention span of a goldfish and are aware the discussion moved on to other utilities. So what are the standing charges on water bills used for? Dishonest debate,you know I refer to the energy company standing charges. I expected better from you but I’ll leave you to your inane ramblings. |
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Post by zanygame on May 23, 2023 17:50:58 GMT
So what are the standing charges on water bills used for? Dishonest debate,you know I refer to the energy company standing charges. I expected better from you but I’ll leave you to your inane ramblings. Misrepresentation is his idea of winning an argument he's losing. |
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