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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 20, 2023 16:17:23 GMT
...Even I could have disarmed that kid without a weapon... Really? Were you there, did you see him? ...they are clearly unable to disarm a weak little child with a knife How do know that he was "A weak little child"? Were you there, did you see him? For the record, my youngest was bigger than me when he was 12 (and I'm over 6' tall). |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 20, 2023 16:18:21 GMT
I don't need to ask that question. We know what happened... Nope, that's exactly what you don't know in either case. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 16:58:33 GMT
I cannot in good faith believe she needed to be tasered. We know the care home followed procedure (health and safety), which obviously involves calling the police. I am fairly certain that a 11 year old surrounded by police didn't either, and question whether using tasers is now the go to before exhausting other possibilities. My question as to what the police would have done without tasers went unanswered.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 17:08:19 GMT
And just in the last few weeks we’ve had a woman killed in London by dogs,numerous dog attacks and in the last 48 hours a man killed,a young boy scalped and a baby attacked and seriously injured by dogs. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12104679/Nine-month-old-baby-hospitalised-attacked-dog-West-Sussex.htmlAnd the cops are overreacting and trigger happy? Yeah right I see what are called professional? dog walkers with too many to handle and little control. I am a dog lover but human safety has to come first including cops. When a person becomes a threat to others, their safety goes to the bottom of the list. No variation between incidences or ability to address each unique situation? Dog barks shoot dog because of something else that happened?
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Post by bancroft on May 21, 2023 10:26:36 GMT
I can understand how it happened just because she has dementia does not mean she cannot thrust a knife with bad intention. Though likely unable to stab you properly she might cut an arm or hand with a short motion.
Perhaps with shields they could have forced her back and another grabs her knife arm.
You can bet they did not have shields with them and thought what is the quickest way of ending it and hey presto, the taser.
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Post by Handyman on May 21, 2023 11:53:38 GMT
I cannot in good faith believe she needed to be tasered. We know the care home followed procedure (health and safety), which obviously involves calling the police. I am fairly certain that a 11 year old surrounded by police didn't either, and question whether using tasers is now the go to before exhausting other possibilities. My question as to what the police would have done without tasers went unanswered. As SM has pointed out we do not know the whole picture in both cases of what really happened you are just guessing on the small amount of information in the media, IMO the Australian Police Offer who tasered may have overstepped the mark and a full investigation is now ongoing, I suspect a full investigation will take place in Scotland in the case of the 11 year old boy as well. On the other hand as for the 95 year old woman , if you knew anything about people with Dementia you would know how violent and aggressive and how strong some of them can be serious mood swings they do not know who they are or what they are doing , in the UK a large number of Care Workers are attacked and injured every year by patients As Ned pointed out our Police are trained before they are let loose on the Public , the bulk of their training is related to learning to understand the Criminal Law e.g. Theft Act, Burglary, Drugs, Assaults, Evidence, Sexual Offences Powers of Arrest etc etc, they spend more time on Woke and Diversity training Bollocks than they do on on self defence. They are taught a few wrist and arm locks to restrain a struggling suspect, how to apply handcuffs, how to use a Baton correctly , how to use CS or Pepper Spray, to disarm people, considering the huge numbers of people they are called to deal with some kind of weapon every day across the UK and many of them do get assaulted every 24 hours they do a pretty well on such little training, they will have refreshers days at least once a year, The reason in this day and age they are issued with Stab Resistant Body Armour, Spray, Handcuffs, Batons and some of them with Tazers , speaks for itself , they are more often than not outnumbered, and out gunned one thing for certain is they ain't Ninja Warriors |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2023 17:43:37 GMT
I cannot in good faith believe she needed to be tasered. We know the care home followed procedure (health and safety), which obviously involves calling the police. I am fairly certain that a 11 year old surrounded by police didn't either, and question whether using tasers is now the go to before exhausting other possibilities. My question as to what the police would have done without tasers went unanswered. As SM has pointed out we do not know the whole picture in both cases of what really happened you are just guessing on the small amount of information in the media, IMO the Australian Police Offer who tasered may have overstepped the mark and a full investigation is now ongoing, I suspect a full investigation will take place in Scotland in the case of the 11 year old boy as well. Investigations are underway.
So you believe using a taser on a 5' 2" 6 stone 95 year old women restricted to a walking frame is fair game, because her mental health has degraded?
But Ned wouldn't know what to do without a taser if a 95 year old women dependent on a walking frame was coming at him with a steak knife. The same goes with a kid waving a knife around whilst surrounded by police. My guess is that the police aren't well trained today in real world scenarios, which is a concern if the government are giving them these tools and weapons.
One child and one little old lady.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2023 18:00:23 GMT
But Ned wouldn't know what to do without a taser if a 95 year old women dependent on a walking frame was coming at him with a steak knife. Actually, you have no idea what I know. I have never used a taser. I would have disarmed her with a long side handled baton, that would have been my choice. She may have ended up with a broken arm. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2023 18:13:31 GMT
But Ned wouldn't know what to do without a taser if a 95 year old women dependent on a walking frame was coming at him with a steak knife. Actually, you have no idea what I know. I have never used a taser. I would have disarmed her with a long side handled baton, that would have been my choice. She may have ended up with a broken arm. Finally and it only took a little bait. I would have tried to get behind her and rely on her being unable to rotate, and then go for the wrist. In the struggle it's possible I could accidently break her wrist, but for me it would be minimal risk to somebody who is unwell and very frail. It's better than putting serious risk to her life, which is what happened. |
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Post by colbops on May 21, 2023 20:11:46 GMT
I would have tried to get behind her and rely on her being unable to rotate Of course you would you perv. I'm only surprised you wouldn't have waited till she was dead before you had your wicked way. |
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Post by Handyman on May 22, 2023 10:25:33 GMT
As SM has pointed out we do not know the whole picture in both cases of what really happened you are just guessing on the small amount of information in the media, IMO the Australian Police Offer who tasered may have overstepped the mark and a full investigation is now ongoing, I suspect a full investigation will take place in Scotland in the case of the 11 year old boy as well. Investigations are underway.
So you believe using a taser on a 5' 2" 6 stone 95 year old women restricted to a walking frame is fair game, because her mental health has degraded?
But Ned wouldn't know what to do without a taser if a 95 year old women dependent on a walking frame was coming at him with a steak knife. The same goes with a kid waving a knife around whilst surrounded by police. My guess is that the police aren't well trained today in real world scenarios, which is a concern if the government are giving them these tools and weapons.
One child and one little old lady.
As I stated quite clearly Sherlock but obviously not clear enough for you to comprehend, an Investigation in Australia is ongoing and rightly so , as I stated earlier the Australian Officer may have overstepped the mark however not knowing all the facts unlike you I am not going to guess what may have happened or if the Officers action were justified or not, same with the boy in Scotland, As for your assumption another guess about the training Police get in relation to Batons, CS or Pepper Spray, or Tasers or even Firearms they are trained to use them if need be its not rockets science, if they draw any them to deal with a violent person even if they don't use them they have to justify it, if they use any of them again they have to justify it part of their evidence in Court if the person is charged with any offence. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 10:39:26 GMT
Investigations are underway.
So you believe using a taser on a 5' 2" 6 stone 95 year old women restricted to a walking frame is fair game, because her mental health has degraded?
But Ned wouldn't know what to do without a taser if a 95 year old women dependent on a walking frame was coming at him with a steak knife. The same goes with a kid waving a knife around whilst surrounded by police. My guess is that the police aren't well trained today in real world scenarios, which is a concern if the government are giving them these tools and weapons.
One child and one little old lady.
As I stated quite clearly Sherlock but obviously not clear enough for you to comprehend, an Investigation in Australia is ongoing and rightly so , as I stated earlier the Australian Officer may have overstepped the mark however not knowing all the facts unlike you I am not going to guess what may have happened or if the Officers action were justified or not, same with the boy in Scotland, As for your assumption another guess about the training Police get in relation to Batons, CS or Pepper Spray, or Tasers or even Firearms they are trained to use them if need be its not rockets science, if they draw any them to deal with a violent person even if they don't use them they have to justify it, if they use any of them again they have to justify it part of their evidence in Court if the person is charged with any offence. I'm unsure why you felt the need to post such condescending nonsense. I'm fully aware of what is going on. |
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Post by Handyman on May 22, 2023 11:15:17 GMT
As I stated quite clearly Sherlock but obviously not clear enough for you to comprehend, an Investigation in Australia is ongoing and rightly so , as I stated earlier the Australian Officer may have overstepped the mark however not knowing all the facts unlike you I am not going to guess what may have happened or if the Officers action were justified or not, same with the boy in Scotland, As for your assumption another guess about the training Police get in relation to Batons, CS or Pepper Spray, or Tasers or even Firearms they are trained to use them if need be its not rockets science, if they draw any them to deal with a violent person even if they don't use them they have to justify it, if they use any of them again they have to justify it part of their evidence in Court if the person is charged with any offence. I'm unsure why you felt the need to post such condescending nonsense. I'm fully aware of what is going on. You have not got a clue full stop , your imagination at work yet again try facts instead |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2023 11:18:32 GMT
I'm unsure why you felt the need to post such condescending nonsense. I'm fully aware of what is going on. You have not got a clue full stop , your imagination at work yet again try facts instead My guess is that you're not a very intelligent person and have no idea what my position actually is. You couldn't even address what was posted and just seem to rely on vague nonsense arguments that don't address the specifics of either cases. |
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Post by Handyman on May 22, 2023 11:53:10 GMT
Your are still guessing wrongly why do you do it? I am not going to waste my time on you on this
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