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Post by Dan Dare on May 19, 2023 9:02:44 GMT
Marxist may be nearer the mark.
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Post by Orac on May 19, 2023 9:16:36 GMT
There is a fair bit of overlap. One of the cornices of western facing Soviet propaganda was the Soviet Union's alleged multiculturism, with a special emphasis on Muslims.
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Post by Dan Dare on May 19, 2023 9:26:18 GMT
The challenge comes in tracing a breadcrumb trail from the Soviet Union to Tony Blair, whereas it's much easier to discern intermediate linkages between Blair and Antonio Gramsci, say, or between Blair and the Frankfurt School aka 'The Marriage of Marx and Freud'.
PS I suspect we may be edging into Mind Zone territory here. A bit surprising the usual suspects haven't turned up already.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 10:30:22 GMT
What I do know for sure is that anyone who challenges it are automatically labelled far-right. I have to agree with Dan Dare, it is Marxism and throughout history it was always the aggressor.
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Post by Orac on May 19, 2023 10:30:31 GMT
I find it a little hard to believe that Blair was personally influenced by someone like Gramski or the Frankfurt school.
Blair is an operator, networker, actor, manipulator - and likely, a high-functioning psychopath. He is not really the sort of person who takes ideas seriously. My view is he was acting within an already established framework of clearly presented 'incentives'
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Post by Dan Dare on May 19, 2023 10:36:26 GMT
No, I agree, Blair could well have had very little if any idea who they even were. But there is little doubt that he was probably influenced during his formative years by people who did know who they were, and who dedicated themselves to continuing their works, which came to be known as 'The Long March through the Institutions'.
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Post by Orac on May 19, 2023 10:57:08 GMT
Sure - but it has problems.
By the end the The Brown Years, New Labour had completely lost its lustre and the British public were starting to conduct a frank post mortem like enquiry into the exact size of the hole Blair had put in the side of their ship. This gathering post mortem was likely instrumental in both Brexit and Boris Johnson's "red wall" miracle.
So why, given the obvious public mood are the conservatives still keeping the rudder centre-ships with the iceberg looming in wheelhouse window? Do these people also have indirect formative influences that include Gramsci and the Frankfurt school?
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Post by Dan Dare on May 19, 2023 11:03:21 GMT
I think anyone who has passed through the social conditioning process formally known as the educational system in last 50 years can have avoided exposure to such formative influences. They are literally embedded in the system's DNA and the entire socio-cultural apparatus which pervades daily life is saturated with them.
Very few are able to avoid or transcend such conditioning.
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Post by Orac on May 19, 2023 11:11:24 GMT
Dan,
Sure - but then the problem is not really Gramsci or the Frankfurt school, but that our education system has been co-opted by 'some operation'.
Consider the close relationship between the education system and the civil service - the civil service management may as well be physically located in the Oxford campus. The soviets put a lot of energy into co-opting these institutions and there was never a proper clear out.
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