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Post by Red Rackham on May 16, 2023 15:15:07 GMT
A prominent criticism in the US, later echoed in Europe, Canada and Australia, was that multiculturalism undermined national unity, hindered social integration and cultural assimilation, and led to the fragmentation of society into several ethnic factions (Balkanization). Harvard professor of political science Robert D. Putnam found when the data was adjusted for class, income and other factors, the more racially diverse a community is, the greater the loss of trust. People in diverse communities "don't trust the local mayor, they don't trust the local paper, they don't trust other people and they don't trust institutions". In the presence of such ethnic diversity, Putnam maintains that; We hunker down. We act like turtles. The effect of diversity is worse than had been imagined. And it's not just that we don't trust people who are not like us. In diverse communities, we don't trust people who do look like us. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_multiculturalism#Intellectual_critiqueNaturally outraged lefties, followers of woke will rubbish this. They will as ever provide no rationale argument no discussion no debate. But they will scream racist, verbally abuse and cancel anyone who doesn't enthusiastically support multiculturalism and diversity. And in doing so, they prove Professor Putnam correct. If only they were bright enough to see it. |
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Post by Dan Dare on May 16, 2023 15:24:24 GMT
If I were posting this topic I'd put it in the Mind Zone. You know out here it's just going to attract The Swarm, who will do everything they can to disrupt and derail it.
Good luck.
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Post by steppenwolf on May 17, 2023 7:45:33 GMT
I'm afraid I think it's too late for this country. We've already got well over a critical mass of immigrants who will undermine our own culture. It's too late now to stop it.
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Post by sandypine on May 17, 2023 8:33:53 GMT
I'm afraid I think it's too late for this country. We've already got well over a critical mass of immigrants who will undermine our own culture. It's too late now to stop it. I think that is about right, the UK has become something else and no amount of control will change that. It is a tragedy for our children though as LW identity politics will further erode any little cohesion that still exists. |
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Post by Orac on May 17, 2023 9:09:35 GMT
It was intended as a 'spoiling action' that defeated any correction. You can do damage to an economy or industry and that can be rebuilt, but, if you take the country itself off the people then they have nowhere to rebuild.
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Post by Dan Dare on May 17, 2023 10:30:58 GMT
A little closer to home, David Goodhart stirred up a hornet's nest with his description of 'The Progressives' Dilemma': "This is an especially acute dilemma for progressives who want plenty of both solidarity (high social cohesion and generous welfare paid out of a progressive tax system) and diversity (equal respect for a wide range of peoples, values and ways of life)." In other words, per goodhart (and I suspect most people who are not card-carrying proggies) you can have a sustainable, functional welfare state, or you can have super-diversity, but you can't have both. Following Goodhart's original article furious expressions of irate protest and outrage rumbled on in the Guardian for weeks, involving contributions from the great and good including Trevor Philips, who likened Goodhart to Enoch Powell and the BNP. |
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Post by steppenwolf on May 18, 2023 7:01:47 GMT
You can have a welfare state or open borders - not both. I see Denmark is now restricting benefits to immigrants.
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Post by Orac on May 18, 2023 8:38:08 GMT
Yes. The above contradiction, along with the contradiction of immigration vs carbon emissions are unassailable logically and obvious.
However, many advocates don't care because their real motivation is antipathy?
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Post by Dan Dare on May 18, 2023 9:06:12 GMT
That raises again the long-debated but essentially still unresolved question: are we being confronted by a cock-up or by a conspiracy?
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Post by sandypine on May 18, 2023 10:04:31 GMT
That raises again the long-debated but essentially still unresolved question: are we being confronted by a cock-up or by a conspiracy? I think a mixture of both. However those who enabled it whilst holding democratic power are the true villains in the piece. |
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Post by Vinny on May 18, 2023 10:46:05 GMT
"Multiculturalism has lost its intellectual spine. That is to say, it has decayed into something much less than multiculturalism, which is cultural relativism. Its day-to-day reality has been a weakening of our sense of what our own values actually are." - Salman Rushdie.
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Post by Orac on May 18, 2023 10:58:34 GMT
I've never seen Salman Rushdie look so incoherent
Unless the various component cultures overlap significantly, multiculturalism cannot be anything but relativism of values.
Food and clothes? Really?
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Post by Dan Dare on May 18, 2023 11:12:25 GMT
Don't forget the steel drums. Saris, Samosas and Steel Drums.
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Post by steppenwolf on May 18, 2023 13:38:58 GMT
I think it's a conspiracy of a variety of people (Lefties, some immigrants, most of our MPs, the EU, the Establishment and most of the Civil Service) to destroy our country. I've said this before but I think it's becoming more and more obvious. These people hate England in particular and are intent on destroying its culture.
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Post by Dan Dare on May 18, 2023 14:12:51 GMT
What do you think motivates them to want to do that?
And does the conspiracy have a historical root?
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