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Post by patman post on May 15, 2023 13:20:57 GMT
Perhaps if you followed the debate you’d have seen that my argument was that the officer being highlighted in the opening post couldn’t claim either preferential or discriminatory treatment as he appeared to be afforded the usual treatment given to Officers facing allegations of wrongdoing… You admit a black man being afforded all the privileges that a white man would have ? Well done . No. In this case I am pointing out that both Police officers received equal treatment on allegations of abuse, irrespective of whether that treatment reasonable. If you believe that equal treatment is a privilege rather than a right, that’s for your reasoning to wrestle with… |
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Post by Bentley on May 15, 2023 13:25:20 GMT
You admit a black man being afforded all the privileges that a white man would have ? Well done . No. In this case I am pointing out that both Police officers received equal treatment on allegations of abuse, irrespective of whether that treatment reasonable. If you believe that equal treatment is a privilege rather than a right, that’s for your reasoning to wrestle with… Well at least you admit that there was no discrimination due to the colour of his skin and that goes somewhere towards of an admission that in this case there was no ‘ white privileged’. |
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Post by patman post on May 15, 2023 13:33:28 GMT
No. In this case I am pointing out that both Police officers received equal treatment on allegations of abuse, irrespective of whether that treatment reasonable. If you believe that equal treatment is a privilege rather than a right, that’s for your reasoning to wrestle with… Well at least you admit that there was no discrimination due to the colour of his skin and that goes somewhere towards of an admission that in this case there was no ‘ white privileged’. Why “at last”? If you check from the beginning of this post, you should be able to see that my whole input to this thread stemmed from my observation that the Police officer was being treated equally… |
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Post by Bentley on May 15, 2023 13:39:32 GMT
Well at least you admit that there was no discrimination due to the colour of his skin and that goes somewhere towards of an admission that in this case there was no ‘ white privileged’. Why “at last”? If you check from the beginning of this post, you should be able to see that my whole input to this thread stemmed from my observation that the Police officer was being treated equally… If you had read the post you might have seen it was ‘ at least’. I know what you said . The inference is that the claim of institutional racism in the police is false |
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Post by wapentake on May 15, 2023 14:49:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 15:14:57 GMT
Well yes, eventually. Apparently some the allegations go back years but he was still promoted from his previous position. I wonder why, lol. Apparently the same with Wayne Couzens, although the outcome was definitely worse… Wayne Couzens was promoted? When? |
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Post by wapentake on May 15, 2023 16:32:28 GMT
Apparently the same with Wayne Couzens, although the outcome was definitely worse… Wayne Couzens was promoted? When? He’s been put in charge of library cart in prison  |
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Post by patman post on May 15, 2023 18:02:09 GMT
Why “at last”? If you check from the beginning of this post, you should be able to see that my whole input to this thread stemmed from my observation that the Police officer was being treated equally… If you had read the post you might have seen it was ‘ at least’. I know what you said . The inference is that the claim of institutional racism in the police is false That’s your inference. I’ve not implied any such thing… |
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Post by Bentley on May 15, 2023 18:11:52 GMT
If you had read the post you might have seen it was ‘ at least’. I know what you said . The inference is that the claim of institutional racism in the police is false That’s your inference. I’ve not implied any such thing… Nope. It’s a logical inference . If people are being treated equally within an institution then it infers the lack of discrimination. You pointed out the equal treatment . |
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Post by patman post on May 15, 2023 18:29:08 GMT
Apparently the same with Wayne Couzens, although the outcome was definitely worse… Wayne Couzens was promoted? When? Voluntary Special Constable with Kent Police in 2006. Joined Civil Nuclear Constabulary in 2010. Vetted, trained and appointed authorised firearms officer, then transferred to Met in 2018. Appointed to neighbourhood and response teams then transferred to diplomatic protection. Even with my jaundiced view of the police, I don’t believe that a volunteer special constable can rise to being an armed member of diplomatic protection squad without promotion procedures… |
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Post by patman post on May 15, 2023 18:36:36 GMT
That’s your inference. I’ve not implied any such thing… Nope. It’s a logical inference . If people are being treated equally within an institution then it infers the lack of discrimination. You pointed out the equal treatment . The inference is yours (and that of others), logical or otherwise. Any lack of discrimination in one case, while promising, doesn’t imply the whole organisation has reformed… |
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Post by Bentley on May 15, 2023 19:15:56 GMT
Nope. It’s a logical inference . If people are being treated equally within an institution then it infers the lack of discrimination. You pointed out the equal treatment . The inference is yours (and that of others), logical or otherwise. Any lack of discrimination in one case, while promising, doesn’t imply the whole organisation has reformed… Well, it is a logical inference so you may have a point that it’s not yours. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 19:55:39 GMT
Wayne Couzens was promoted? When? Voluntary Special Constable with Kent Police in 2006. Joined Civil Nuclear Constabulary in 2010. Vetted, trained and appointed authorised firearms officer, then transferred to Met in 2018. Appointed to neighbourhood and response teams then transferred to diplomatic protection. Even with my jaundiced view of the police, I don’t believe that a volunteer special constable can rise to being an armed member of diplomatic protection squad without promotion procedures… No promotion involved at all. A Special Constable is an unpaid job. He would have applied to a Force for a job as a PC and remained a PC until the day he was sacked. Shows how little you know about the police. So perhaps your jaundiced view needs re-educating. |
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