starmer has an idea. LOL

You floated it, I just ran with it.

Hoist, yet again, by your own petard.

It’s not double standards you moron. Everyone becomes a citizen of the country that they fit the criteria.
Its when you want to become a citizen of another country that you need to make an effort.
In your fantasy world I should be able to become a citizen of any country in the world if I felt like it .
You post such crap , it’s embarrassing.

Now this is obtuse. Par for the course.

So, these taxpaying committed workers have to save a little in order to get their citizenship. Christ what next, handing out free cars for them to drive as well.

You are clearly too stupid to understand what I have been saying so prefer to indulge in name calling.

I have not said anyone should be able to become a citizen anywhere they like. You just invented that straw man to have something you could understand to attack. What I said was that residency for a certain period of time should be enough to earn the right to vote without needing to shell out for the costs of citizenship - as it already does for EU and Commonwealth nationals in local elections. I do not think that is unreasonable. You do, so there we are. I am not going to cry about it. If you want Johnny Foreigner to have to jump through countless hoops and shell out a fortune to achieve what you obviously regard as the exalted status of British citizenship just to be able to vote in the nation he lives and works in thats up to you. I don't agree. I think if you have committed to this country and live here and contribute here you should have a vote here. I do not think that idea is rocket science nor in any way outrageous. You are just afraid they won't vote your way so want to keep as many of them away from the ballot box as possible. And you are hiding behind the fig leaf of citizenship as the only possible cloak of principle you can find. 

Ahem, your exact words, to which I was responding:



To which I said "Yes".



I think you just did.



Yadda, yadda. I couldn't give a monkeys. You, albeit inadvertently, raised an interesting point for once and I ran with it.

Congratulations.

Of course I don't credit you with it because you clearly don't realise the significance of the point that you raised. Which is why you're getting angry now. But that's OK, because that's just what dim people do. Well, along with voting lefty...

Now, do one. You're boring me.

I disagree. I think people who live and work and contribute here and have made this country their home should have to right to vote after a certain period without having to pay a fortune to become a citizen. That is my point and where we fundamentally disagree. I also have a suspicion that many on your side of the argument are motivated by suspicions that these nationals might not vote how you'd like them to. I think it is only fair to give people living and working here, paying our taxes, using our services, obeying our laws, the right to a say in those taxes, services, and laws just like you and I. I fail to see the moral objection to that but can all too easily see the barely disguised partisan political objections.

I have for instance already clocked that everyone who has posted in this thread on your side of the argument just happens to be a right winger, or an avid Brexiteer, or both. So your fears are blatantly obvious. That the foreign nationals resident here might be too left leaning or too pro-EU or both. Most of the ones I have ever know are go getter types more likely to lean to the right, so I think you are actually wrong on the left versus right score. EU nationals might well be more pro-EU than you'd like but non EU foreign nationals have no reason to be

As so often I was attempting to expose a double standard by positing the notion that you expect others to pay a large sum to vote when you wouldnt yourself. You tried to dodge that by putting your foot in it in your claim that you would happily pay such a sum to vote and think everyone else should too. So the notion of everyone having to pay a large sum to vote was clearly yours which you actually admitted to, calling it your proposal. Of course when confronted with the reality that no one would ever win an election with such a  stupid commitment, the utterly stupid position you had argued yourself into in an attempt to avoid the charge of double standards became painfully apparent, even to yourself. Hence the descent into trolling and the ridiculous attempt to portray the notion as my idea. This was accompanied by your trademark attempt at wind ups and goads, followed inevitably when that did not suffice, with your inevitable flouncing off, citing boredom.

This is your usual modus operandi when argued into a position where you are made to look a fool. You have done this before and I am very familiar with such behaviour from you. I have seen you do the same thing to others who better you as well. It always follows the same pattern every time someone sticks the course for long enough and succeeds in trapping you into a silly argument that you lack the humility to climb down from. 

Enough said.