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Post by Vinny on May 16, 2023 11:00:51 GMT
No breaking the law is the same everywhere. No one has a right to break any law anywhere and expect everyone else to be the perfect citizen. Asylum seekers do. What about self defence? If a person kills some one in self defence the law may 'excuse' them but they have still broken the law. If someone who has murdered others, seeks 'asylum' in another country, to escape justice, as some have, should we give that person asylum just because they got in a boat and risked the seas in coming here? Of course not. And this is one of the problems we're grappling with. Whilst you're going "migrants welcome", we're asking, "who are you", "what do you want", "why have you come from a safe country", and "why should we help you". You do not consider who the person is. You do not consider what they have done, or why they are coming here. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 10:15:48 GMT
Asylum seekers do. What about self defence? If a person kills some one in self defence the law may 'excuse' them but they have still broken the law. If someone who has murdered others, seeks 'asylum' in another country, to escape justice, as some have, should we give that person asylum just because they got in a boat and risked the seas in coming here? Of course not. And this is one of the problems we're grappling with. Whilst you're going "migrants welcome", we're asking, "who are you", "what do you want", "why have you come from a safe country", and "why should we help you". You do not consider who the person is. You do not consider what they have done, or why they are coming here. That's what processing asylum seekers is all about, which of course the Tories are, quite deliberately in my view, failing to do. If a murderer tries to get in they should of course be sent home, that's called extradition. |
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Post by Vinny on May 17, 2023 10:18:30 GMT
Processing requires containment.
Containment requires detention centres such as Yarlswood.
Detention centres trigger the far left.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 11:35:38 GMT
Processing requires containment. Containment requires detention centres such as Yarlswood. Detention centres trigger the far left. There 'was' no need for Barges, hotels..... until the Tories stopped processing to stoke a culture war. |
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Post by Vinny on May 17, 2023 11:45:14 GMT
They did not stop processing, there's just an extremely big backlog.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2023 6:26:39 GMT
They did not stop processing, there's just an extremely big backlog. No, you are right they did not stop processing. They slowed it down to create a backlog, a deliberate action, because they knew it would 'rally their troops' to a cause. "There were 166,261 people waiting to have their asylum claims decided at the end of December 2023, according to the latest published data, including 160,919 awaiting an initial decision. This is far higher than the total of 18,954 people in June 2010, which included 9,441 awaiting an initial decision". |
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Post by Vinny on May 18, 2023 7:30:06 GMT
With illegals reaching Dover at a rate of 500 a day, how can you pretend that the government are slowing anything down? We are being overwhelmed by people smugglers.
France is doing fuck all to help.
Some fucking ally.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2023 8:12:28 GMT
With illegals reaching Dover at a rate of 500 a day, how can you pretend that the government are slowing anything down? We are being overwhelmed by people smugglers. France is doing fuck all to help. Some fucking ally. Madness. The asylum seekers in the small boats are not people smugglers. People smugglers do not necessarily live here they go where the work is. We left the EU and made it harder for ourselves, why should the French stop people wanting to come to this country? |
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Post by Vinny on May 18, 2023 8:21:10 GMT
We left the EU, a democratically failing political customs union. Our independence from it has nothing to do with the Le Touquet agreement or the money we've paid France to help us. Money they've taken and are not doing enough for. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9681/I'll concede they've dismantled 59 organised crime groups connected to people smuggling, but evidently there's a lot more. And they are not intercepting and returning illegal immigrants at sea, to the French coast. |
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