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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2023 19:28:43 GMT
Where should I start... The civil servants and lawyers reckon they can't deal with reviewing the legislation, they have not got the time. However, a private law firm said that if given the job they could deal with it in 2 or 3 months. Where there is a will there is a way. The Tories really do want to throw the next election, don't they? They're not even Tories any more. Nope, they ain't.
Vote Labour, get Labour. Vote Tory, get Labour.
I'm voting reform. Fuck the rest of them.
That Reform is the only party your good self feels you can support, convinces me ever more strongly that it cannot possibly be anything I could ever support. There are things in life that you or I might roundly agree on. But politics is rarely one of them, unless it involves slagging off the Labour party. But even there we come at it from opposite directions. For one thing, the opposite of what you say looks true to me. Vote Tory, get Tory. Vote Labour, get Tory. We both agree that the two parties are two cheeks of the same arse. You just think that bare arse is red whilst to me it looks very blue, lol
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2023 19:32:59 GMT
Breaking news. It's just been announced on GB News that the government have backtracked on their promise to lose about 4000 EU laws. It seems just 600 EU laws will be got rid of. Apparently the Home Office say there simply isn't time to get rid of all EU laws that affect the UK by the end of the year. Has the thought never occurred to you that it is unlikely that every one of those 4000 laws are bad ones? Some of them might be very good ones which we ought to be keeping. Ditching all of them for the ideological sake of it in such a case is intellectually stupid. Instead, we should be going through them and only ditching the ones we don't want, improving the ones that can be improved, and keeping any that work well for us in their current form.
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Post by om15 on May 10, 2023 19:43:34 GMT
We mustn't give up hope, unicorns are alive and well, this was Kemi today, The potential of an independent UK forging its own place in the world is one of the reasons the country voted to leave the European Union. It’s why, as Trade Secretary, I prioritised negotiations with the Comprehensive and Progressive Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP), sending out a signal of how post-Brexit Britain can thrive when it thinks beyond our immediate neighbours, by joining a group of the globe’s fastest growing economies. It’s also why, now that I’ve been given responsibility for EU laws that have remained on the UK statute book, I want to make sure we do so in a way that maximises our competitive advantage. Yes, of course I want to ensure we remove any unnecessary regulations we inherited from Brussels over the past 50 years, and do so as soon as possible. But the real prize is the unique opportunity to look again at these regulations and decide if they’re right for our economy, if we can scrap them, or if we can reform and improve them and help spur economic growth.
Getting rid of EU law in the UK should be about more than a race to a deadline. It should be about making sure our laws work for the people who use them. Regulatory reform is integral to the Prime Minister’s mission to boost the UK economy; a mission that puts business, consumers, and the British public first.www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/10/britain-is-taking-back-control-of-its-laws-from-the-eu/
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Post by andrewbrown on May 10, 2023 19:45:56 GMT
Breaking news. It's just been announced on GB News that the government have backtracked on their promise to lose about 4000 EU laws. It seems just 600 EU laws will be got rid of. Apparently the Home Office say there simply isn't time to get rid of all EU laws that affect the UK by the end of the year. Has the thought never occurred to you that it is unlikely that every one of those 4000 laws are bad ones? Some of them might be very good ones which we ought to be keeping. Ditching all of them for the ideological sake of it in such a case is intellectually stupid. Instead, we should be going through them and only ditching the ones we don't want, improving the ones that can be improved, and keeping any that work well for us in their current form. Of course, but then when you realise that the idea was that the "big bad EU" imposed all antiBritish laws on us was bogus, people are going to realise that Brexit was a fraud. There was a really good reason why Rees-Mogg wanted to just burn the lot, and that's so you couldn't see for the smoke.
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Post by sheepy on May 10, 2023 20:12:50 GMT
Has the thought never occurred to you that it is unlikely that every one of those 4000 laws are bad ones? Some of them might be very good ones which we ought to be keeping. Ditching all of them for the ideological sake of it in such a case is intellectually stupid. Instead, we should be going through them and only ditching the ones we don't want, improving the ones that can be improved, and keeping any that work well for us in their current form. Of course, but then when you realise that the idea was that the "big bad EU" imposed all antiBritish laws on us was bogus, people are going to realise that Brexit was a fraud. There was a really good reason why Rees-Mogg wanted to just burn the lot, and that's so you couldn't see for the smoke. Well not one to put a spoke in your hamster wheel , but you don't put thousands of Brussels laws on the statute books because you were going to remove them, no actually under Brexit you didn't put them on in the first place.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 10, 2023 20:45:10 GMT
Nope, they ain't.
Vote Labour, get Labour. Vote Tory, get Labour.
I'm voting reform. Fuck the rest of them.
That Reform is the only party your good self feels you can support, convinces me ever more strongly that it cannot possibly be anything I could ever support. There are things in life that you or I might roundly agree on. But politics is rarely one of them, unless it involves slagging off the Labour party. But even there we come at it from opposite directions. For one thing, the opposite of what you say looks true to me. Vote Tory, get Tory. Vote Labour, get Tory. We both agree that the two parties are two cheeks of the same arse. You just think that bare arse is red whilst to me it looks very blue, lol
Indeed. I'd like to vote for a centre right party, you want a hard left one.
Neither of us wants the totally conviction-free Westminster Consensus Party that have been shafting the electorate for years.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 6:56:26 GMT
That Reform is the only party your good self feels you can support, convinces me ever more strongly that it cannot possibly be anything I could ever support. There are things in life that you or I might roundly agree on. But politics is rarely one of them, unless it involves slagging off the Labour party. But even there we come at it from opposite directions. For one thing, the opposite of what you say looks true to me. Vote Tory, get Tory. Vote Labour, get Tory. We both agree that the two parties are two cheeks of the same arse. You just think that bare arse is red whilst to me it looks very blue, lol
Indeed. I'd like to vote for a centre right party, you want a hard left one.
Neither of us wants the totally conviction-free Westminster Consensus Party that have been shafting the electorate for years.
PR would give you and I and every other shade of opinion a democratic voice in parliament, which is a major reason why the establishment parties are so opposed to it. Only a minority of the public would agree with you and only a minority with me, but we would have the representation our level of support would entitle us to. We would have a voice. We would be heard. And our parties could lay down red line terms for their cooperation in government. And if the powers that be ignored us our support would grow until they no longer could. We would all have to accept that we'd be functioning in a political environment where no single party is likely to gain an absolute majority, so working with others would be necessary. But at least we would have people in there fighting our corner. People who thought and felt as we do. I would not describe myself as "hard" left by the way. I broadly believe in the policies of Labour's 2017 manifesto, most of which is more social democratic than socialist.
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Post by Toreador on May 11, 2023 18:42:04 GMT
Indeed. I'd like to vote for a centre right party, you want a hard left one.
Neither of us wants the totally conviction-free Westminster Consensus Party that have been shafting the electorate for years.
PR would give you and I and every other shade of opinion a democratic voice in parliament, which is a major reason why the establishment parties are so opposed to it. Only a minority of the public would agree with you and only a minority with me, but we would have the representation our level of support would entitle us to. We would have a voice. We would be heard. And our parties could lay down red line terms for their cooperation in government. And if the powers that be ignored us our support would grow until they no longer could. We would all have to accept that we'd be functioning in a political environment where no single party is likely to gain an absolute majority, so working with others would be necessary. But at least we would have people in there fighting our corner. People who thought and felt as we do. I would not describe myself as "hard" left by the way. I broadly believe in the policies of Labour's 2017 manifesto, most of which is more social democratic than socialist. PR is a bedrock of policy for Reform UK.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 20:01:36 GMT
PR would give you and I and every other shade of opinion a democratic voice in parliament, which is a major reason why the establishment parties are so opposed to it. Only a minority of the public would agree with you and only a minority with me, but we would have the representation our level of support would entitle us to. We would have a voice. We would be heard. And our parties could lay down red line terms for their cooperation in government. And if the powers that be ignored us our support would grow until they no longer could. We would all have to accept that we'd be functioning in a political environment where no single party is likely to gain an absolute majority, so working with others would be necessary. But at least we would have people in there fighting our corner. People who thought and felt as we do. I would not describe myself as "hard" left by the way. I broadly believe in the policies of Labour's 2017 manifesto, most of which is more social democratic than socialist. PR is a bedrock of policy for Reform UK. As it is for everyone else except the Tories and Labour. So I do not have to vote for that bunch of right wing headbangers to support PR. You seem to have set yourself the mission of persuading me to support your heroes. You'd have more chance of persuading me to staple my balls to a gerbil's arse. Insofar as persuading me, a democratic socialist no less, to vote for Reform goes, as a lost cause it is right up there with the campaign to rehabilitate the pop career of Gary Glitter, lol
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Post by colbops on May 11, 2023 20:36:36 GMT
Breaking news. It's just been announced on GB News that the government have backtracked on their promise to lose about 4000 EU laws. It seems just 600 EU laws will be got rid of. Apparently the Home Office say there simply isn't time to get rid of all EU laws that affect the UK by the end of the year. An unnamed home office insider said that isn't exactly true. The reality is as much as they tried they couldn't find 4000 EU laws to lose
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Post by johnofgwent on May 11, 2023 21:05:22 GMT
Indeed. I'd like to vote for a centre right party, you want a hard left one.
Neither of us wants the totally conviction-free Westminster Consensus Party that have been shafting the electorate for years.
PR would give you and I and every other shade of opinion a democratic voice in parliament, which is a major reason why the establishment parties are so opposed to it. Only a minority of the public would agree with you and only a minority with me, but we would have the representation our level of support would entitle us to. We would have a voice. We would be heard. And our parties could lay down red line terms for their cooperation in government. And if the powers that be ignored us our support would grow until they no longer could. We would all have to accept that we'd be functioning in a political environment where no single party is likely to gain an absolute majority, so working with others would be necessary. But at least we would have people in there fighting our corner. People who thought and felt as we do. I would not describe myself as "hard" left by the way. I broadly believe in the policies of Labour's 2017 manifesto, most of which is more social democratic than socialist. True PR would have seen us leave the EU in 2014. It would also have forced Labour and Tory parties to have to deal with appeasing all sorts. It would be good, but only because like 1976, i would be able to make money because Westminster was shafted by coalitions of the unwilling.
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