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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 16:38:24 GMT
I think you are probably right on that one, all this driving is pointless the plebs don't need to drive anywhere in a utopian society. Of course the important people do plus they also need private jets and yachts these are a must, well because they are actually very, very important and need them to tell everyone else about being green around the globe, they will of course make you understand that by using them they are actually making up for it by making you more green! If they had a brain cell and improved public transport so that I can use it without running out of hours in a day, I might be half interested. But they seem to have all the correct solutions to the wrong questions. |
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Post by colbops on May 11, 2023 17:01:08 GMT
If they had a brain cell and improved public transport so that I can use it without running out of hours in a day, I might be half interested. But they seem to have all the correct solutions to the wrong questions. Is there such a thing as public transport? Its all long since been privatised hasn't it? |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 17:09:37 GMT
If they had a brain cell and improved public transport so that I can use it without running out of hours in a day, I might be half interested. But they seem to have all the correct solutions to the wrong questions. Is there such a thing as public transport? Its all long since been privatised hasn't it? Where have you been? Have you been lost on the Circle Line? Yes there are buses, I have a bus pass but I have never used it. I would have to walk about 15 minutes to a bus stop to go to somewhere I would be dropped off, then need to walk a lot more. Then, if I miss a bus, it is another hour before the next one. Almost useless. |
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Post by colbops on May 11, 2023 17:18:44 GMT
Is there such a thing as public transport? Its all long since been privatised hasn't it? Where have you been? Have you been lost on the Circle Line? Yes there are buses, I have a bus pass but I have never used it. I would have to walk about 15 minutes to a bus stop to go to somewhere I would be dropped off, then need to walk a lot more. Then, if I miss a bus, it is another hour before the next one. Almost useless. Buses were privatised and deregulated in the 1990s |
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Post by dodgydave on May 15, 2023 23:26:36 GMT
You need to learn how to drive properly if you are getting 3 miles per kwh lol. You can easily get 4+ if you use regen properly and... drive properly. As for your off peak point, that is wrong too. Only an idiot charges once a week, you keep topping it up during off peak via an app. Don't get me wrong EVs do not make sense for everybody, but most people I know that have them have chargers at home and already have solar panels fitted so they are used to running the washing machine / dryer etc during daylight house so off peak tariffs work just fine. Lastly, most people in EVs will be running them through salary sacrifice schemes and will be making crazy tax, NI and pension savings that just aren't available for ICE vehicles. eg the wife has a £55,000 Merc, with charger installed, servicing, repairs, breakdown, tyres, windscreen and insurance for effectively £350 a month and there was NO DEPOSIT, and fueling bill has halved. So most people you know driving £50k EVs also have £25k solar panel installations to charge them and / or run their washing machines. Well that certainly shows motoring is going back to the twenties and thirties - the 1920’s when only the elite could be allowed them. That is not what I said. I was talking about the normal solar panels (no battery) that come with every house built in the last 10 years. You get approx 0.6 - 1kwh from them and once you work out how to use them properly (ie don't have washing machine / dryer / dish washer on at the same time) you can use a peak / off peak tariff to charge your EV cheaply during off peak. My point was under x y z circumstances they make sense, as opposed to mocking people for having an EV without understanding how they can be a good choice. |
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Post by dodgydave on May 15, 2023 23:34:40 GMT
No. I was being generous when I gave an EV an average of 3 miles/kWh. It's actually more like 2.5 miles according to Car magazine - and you can take about 30% off that in winter or if you're doing a lot of motorway mileage or driving fast. Even a Mini EV struggles to get 3 miles/kWh when keeping below 55mph in the USA. They're just not efficient - which isn't surprising when you look at how heavy they are. And who mentioned anything about charging once a week? Plainly if you do very low mileage and can always charge at home it may be no more expensive to run an EV than an efficient petrol engined car - like my last Porsche. But that's a very niche market. If you want a shopping trolley they work fine but that's all. I agree there are some tax incentives to people who buy new EVs, but the reason for that must be obvious even to you. They're having a lot of difficulty selling these pups. I've seen 2 year old Mini EVs going for half new price. There are no free lunches DD. The sting is in the tail. When you try to sell your two lemons (and Mercs are real lemons) you'll find out the real cost of running them. People always forget depreciation. Meanwhile I sold my Porsche back to the garage I bought it from (new) for slightly more than the original purchase price 4 years ago. That's cheap motoring. my friend... that is leasing on the cheap, with massive tax, NI and pension savings. There is a global shortage of semi-conductors, everybody has made money selling a used car in the last 3 years lol. I just sold my runabout for more than I paid for it 5 years ago, and we made £5,500 on the Merc we sold last year. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 16, 2023 7:01:58 GMT
We seem to be reaching peak EV sales. Business users are pretty much maxed out as are those rich enough and with off street parking who can make them a viable means of transport (and even many of them have a second car).
There are aready complaints about people keeping their ICE cars on the road for longer and longer (the UK fleet is aging every year) - surely though that is the most environmentally friendly option - keep something and reuse it for as long as possible. Junking cars every 5-10 years can never be 'green'.
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Post by steppenwolf on May 16, 2023 7:29:10 GMT
BEVs are NEVER going to be practical - there are just too many intractable problems to overcome. It's just another example of how completely incompetent our leaders are - not just our govt but worldwide. They don't even cut CO2.
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Post by johnofgwent on May 16, 2023 14:47:38 GMT
So most people you know driving £50k EVs also have £25k solar panel installations to charge them and / or run their washing machines. Well that certainly shows motoring is going back to the twenties and thirties - the 1920’s when only the elite could be allowed them. That is not what I said. I was talking about the normal solar panels (no battery) that come with every house built in the last 10 years. You get approx 0.6 - 1kwh from them and once you work out how to use them properly (ie don't have washing machine / dryer / dish washer on at the same time) you can use a peak / off peak tariff to charge your EV cheaply during off peak. My point was under x y z circumstances they make sense, as opposed to mocking people for having an EV without understanding how they can be a good choice. where are these houses built since 2013 that have free solar panels ? I know of absolutely none within 20 miles of here and that includes the three truly enormous sites at Maesglas, Goytre Whatf and New Inn and the fourth monster build at the old Llanwern Steel Works which together double the number of houses in Newport and Cwmbran and crucify the electrical, gas, water and sewage infrastructure for twenty miles in every direction. You would have thought that the tens of thousands of homes being built on these sites to accomodate Labours welcome to the invaders would include these panels were they not a fantasy, but no, not one single panel can be seen at handover… |
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