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Post by johnofgwent on May 5, 2023 12:54:45 GMT
One must assume they gave up all hope of being in power again shortly after Boris was chucked out and Sunak wrested the reins of power from the person the party members wanted. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65497118Starmer really is going to have to fuck up big time to lose the next GE The problem is the little hitler in Cardiff Bay will think he’s admired. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2023 13:27:58 GMT
Well, Tory voters voted for Boris to get Brexit done, he messed up big time and got fired, and the party voted for Liz Truss, but the blob were having none of her and got rid after 7 weeks with Rishi crowned without a proper fight. If that's democracy, the Tories don't deserve to win another election. They've betrayed Conservative policies. They are Blairites in blue and need kicking out ASAP. They keep making promises to fix what they've broken, thinking we are stupid and will vote them in again. Where's Cardiff?  |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 5, 2023 23:37:37 GMT
Well, Tory voters voted for Boris Where's Cardiff? I think the issue is a lot more than ‘tory voters’ voted for Boris because they were ever so slightly pissed off with the conspiracy to screw over the people with Cleggs Zombie Parliament. The problem is the recipients of that goodwill have quite royally pissed it up the wall snd now its time to pay |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 8:17:52 GMT
Well, Tory voters voted for Boris to get Brexit done, he messed up big time and got fired, and the party voted for Liz Truss, but the blob were having none of her and got rid after 7 weeks with Rishi crowned without a proper fight. If that's democracy, the Tories don't deserve to win another election. They've betrayed Conservative policies. They are Blairites in blue and need kicking out ASAP. They keep making promises to fix what they've broken, thinking we are stupid and will vote them in again. Where's Cardiff? The Conservatives betrayed this island just as Labour did, and I am glad that people are waking up to the pointless illusionary ping-pong game that is British politics. Unfortunatley, there is no alternative under this system, so it looks like it may eventually result in a civil war.
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Post by bancroft on May 6, 2023 20:54:47 GMT
MPs my way won't have open surgery due to security issues.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 6, 2023 21:29:07 GMT
Well, Tory voters voted for Boris to get Brexit done, he messed up big time and got fired, and the party voted for Liz Truss, but the blob were having none of her and got rid after 7 weeks with Rishi crowned without a proper fight. If that's democracy, the Tories don't deserve to win another election. They've betrayed Conservative policies. They are Blairites in blue and need kicking out ASAP. They keep making promises to fix what they've broken, thinking we are stupid and will vote them in again. Where's Cardiff? The Conservatives betrayed this island just as Labour did, and I am glad that people are waking up to the pointless illusionary ping-pong game that is British politics. Unfortunatley, there is no alternative under this system, so it looks like it may eventually result in a civil war.
I think that bloodshed is inevitable with the way this country is going.
Hell, it might even be necessary.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2023 8:45:07 GMT
Does anyone honestly think people can be dragged away from their screens to mount a civil war? They can hardly walk along the street without bumping into something whilst posting their latest photo on Instagram. Or maybe we are thinking the OAP keyboard warriors will rise up in their mobility scooters and storm the Bastille Parliament.  |
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Post by wapentake on May 7, 2023 9:01:38 GMT
Or maybe we are thinking the OAP keyboard warriors will rise up in their mobility scooters and storm the Bastille Parliament. I’ll have you know I can cause considerable carnage with my walking stick.  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 7, 2023 9:56:07 GMT
Does anyone honestly think people can be dragged away from their screens to mount a civil war? They can hardly walk along the street without bumping into something whilst posting their latest photo on Instagram. Or maybe we are thinking the OAP keyboard warriors will rise up in their mobility scooters and storm the Bastille Parliament.
You may have a point but... People have been glueing themselves to roads and smashing things up over far more nebulous issues.
So who knows what might happen when it's something that actually affects them.
For example, down here in Londonistan Khan's ULEZ cameras are being torn down at a prodigious rate and there is a great deal of support for that: The people have said "No".
People will ignore all sorts when it doesn't directly affect them. But when it does, watch out.
Do you remember that XR protestor who was dragged off the tube train and given a beating by enraged commuters?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 7, 2023 11:16:42 GMT
One must assume they gave up all hope of being in power again shortly after Boris was chucked out and Sunak wrested the reins of power from the person the party members wanted. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65497118Starmer really is going to have to fuck up big time to lose the next GE The problem is the little hitler in Cardiff Bay will think he’s admired. The economic effects lag the policy decisions. For example a change in monitory policy to the effects on inflation is estimated to take about a year to filter through to the market. Other policy changes if anything will take longer, like GDP growth. What our most recent financial position is, is therefore likely to represent the policies of Johnson. Johnson secured the largest Tory majority in decades. The fuckwits of the United Kingdom voted for spin and huge economic failure, like worse than Russia. I guess they are still trying to work out who is a man and who is not. Idiots! |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 16:53:20 GMT
Well, Tory voters voted for Boris to get Brexit done, he messed up big time and got fired, and the party voted for Liz Truss, but the blob were having none of her and got rid after 7 weeks with Rishi crowned without a proper fight. If that's democracy, the Tories don't deserve to win another election. They've betrayed Conservative policies. They are Blairites in blue and need kicking out ASAP. They keep making promises to fix what they've broken, thinking we are stupid and will vote them in again. Where's Cardiff? You fail to acknowledge that Truss also messed up big time, putting ideology over reality and tanked the economy. You give her a free pass on that and blame others for her demise simply because you shared in her ideology and cannot accept that it was the problem. And incidentally, the Tories were elected in 2019 on a promise to get Brexit done, but also a kind of one nation, levelling up agenda with the end of austerity. The Truss agenda was a major departure from that, pursuing a massive tax cutting agenda mostly for the already better off for which there was no financial backing, and would have necessitated massive cuts in spending if pursued. The Tories had no mandate for that whatsoever and their collapse in the opinion polls demonstrated public dissatisfaction. The election just gone was the first chance many of the public got to express their disapproval and they did it in spades. So whilst the outcome of those elections showed little in the way of a large enough surge towards Labour except in isolated places like Plymouth where local factors were important, the Tory vote collapsed. Now the people have got their dissatisfaction off their chest the Tories have an opportunity to rebuild their support but time is running out. They have an unwieldy coalition of support that includes both red wallers up north and blue wallers down south. with each group wanting very different things. They united behind the call to get Brexit done, but keeping them united behind the Tories going forwards will be very difficult. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 9, 2023 11:51:30 GMT
Unfortunately both of our main parties look less and less like cohesive political forces and more and more like a loose collection of warring factions.
Does anyone really understand what either of them actually stand for?
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Post by Handyman on May 9, 2023 12:34:05 GMT
Unfortunately both of our main parties look less and less like cohesive political forces and more and more like a loose collection of warring factions. Does anyone really understand what either of them actually stand for? No I am fed up with all of them |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 14:28:24 GMT
Well, Tory voters voted for Boris to get Brexit done, he messed up big time and got fired, and the party voted for Liz Truss, but the blob were having none of her and got rid after 7 weeks with Rishi crowned without a proper fight. If that's democracy, the Tories don't deserve to win another election. They've betrayed Conservative policies. They are Blairites in blue and need kicking out ASAP. They keep making promises to fix what they've broken, thinking we are stupid and will vote them in again. Where's Cardiff? You fail to acknowledge that Truss also messed up big time, putting ideology over reality and tanked the economy. You give her a free pass on that and blame others for her demise simply because you shared in her ideology and cannot accept that it was the problem. I didn't really give Liz Truss a "free pass" in my post, Steve. But, if you think I did, it might be because I believe her policies were not actually responsible for tanking the economy. That was the deliberate policy of the globalists fighting her policy which went against their agenda, in my opinion. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but 7 weeks as a PM - was that just? Rishi is all signed up to the globalist, net zero, low growth agenda. Those globalists could not tolerate 2 mavericks in a row. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 15:30:06 GMT
You fail to acknowledge that Truss also messed up big time, putting ideology over reality and tanked the economy. You give her a free pass on that and blame others for her demise simply because you shared in her ideology and cannot accept that it was the problem. I didn't really give Liz Truss a "free pass" in my post, Steve. But, if you think I did, it might be because I believe her policies were not actually responsible for tanking the economy. That was the deliberate policy of the globalists fighting her policy which went against their agenda, in my opinion. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but 7 weeks as a PM - was that just? Rishi is all signed up to the globalist, net zero, low growth agenda. Those globalists could not tolerate 2 mavericks in a row. Apologies for saying so but you do sound like something of a conspiracy theorist on that one. That the uncosted Truss giveaways mostly to the better off spooked the markets which in turn tanked the economy is the far more likely explanation. |
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