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Post by patman post on Oct 24, 2022 14:50:25 GMT
Why are people still discussing whether the UK should be in or out of the EU?
The UK is out, quite messily, but it's out, and it's not just up to the UK whether it re-joins. It might make the first approaches, but there's 27 other countries that all have to agree to let the UK back in, and with what status. Surely what needs to be done is to make Brexit work.
All the trade deals often cited need to be got operating at full power. But instead, the Brexit faithful are lapping up Trusses and others' extensive hodge podge list of mini deals, letters of intent, and memorandums of understanding that have yet to translate into real worthwhile operating trade agreements, to match the trade lost when the UK left the EU... |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 24, 2022 14:50:25 GMT
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Post by bancroft on Oct 24, 2022 14:57:49 GMT
Is the emphasis on trade deals over-stated?
I buy food from a supermarket, I don't find them agitating for Brexit they just buy food and you then decide what you like.
Similarly have products from companies like IKEA been banned or had import taxes put on them? Not to my knowledge.
What am I missing?
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Post by Vinny on Oct 24, 2022 18:28:45 GMT
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Post by Steve on Oct 24, 2022 19:25:06 GMT
Is the emphasis on trade deals over-stated? I buy food from a supermarket, I don't find them agitating for Brexit they just buy food and you then decide what you like. Similarly have products from companies like IKEA been banned or had import taxes put on them? Not to my knowledge. What am I missing? That we currently have a (somewhat fragile) UK-EU free trade deal? |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 25, 2022 0:29:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 7:04:37 GMT
Is the emphasis on trade deals over-stated? I buy food from a supermarket, I don't find them agitating for Brexit they just buy food and you then decide what you like. Similarly have products from companies like IKEA been banned or had import taxes put on them? Not to my knowledge. What am I missing? No. What you seem to be missing is the recognition of the fact that trade, i.e., international trade, is essential and critical to the economy of a nation and to the global economy. And trade deals are vital because you want to have the best quality products at low prices. Trade allows you to decide what you like to buy. There's virtually no trade in North Korea. Hence, they don't get to choose between local cheese or cheese from France. |
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Post by bancroft on Oct 25, 2022 12:53:45 GMT
Is the emphasis on trade deals over-stated? I buy food from a supermarket, I don't find them agitating for Brexit they just buy food and you then decide what you like. Similarly have products from companies like IKEA been banned or had import taxes put on them? Not to my knowledge. What am I missing? No. What you seem to be missing is the recognition of the fact that trade, i.e., international trade, is essential and critical to the economy of a nation and to the global economy. And trade deals are vital because you want to have the best quality products at low prices. Trade allows you to decide what you like to buy. There's virtually no trade in North Korea. Hence, they don't get to choose between local cheese or cheese from France. Trade deals seem to be where governments get involved perhaps like saying if you let our business set up in your country we will allow your businesses to operate x & y services in the UK. Re North Korea they happen to have embargos on trade or sanctions enforced by NATO countries. I recall us selling steel to the US even though we imported steel, I suspect we stlll produced it due to National Security concerns yet the US probably agree to buy this as a condition of us buying US weapons. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 14:52:33 GMT
No. What you seem to be missing is the recognition of the fact that trade, i.e., international trade, is essential and critical to the economy of a nation and to the global economy. And trade deals are vital because you want to have the best quality products at low prices. Trade allows you to decide what you like to buy. There's virtually no trade in North Korea. Hence, they don't get to choose between local cheese or cheese from France. Trade deals seem to be where governments get involved perhaps like saying if you let our business set up in your country we will allow your businesses to operate x & y services in the UK. Re North Korea they happen to have embargos on trade or sanctions enforced by NATO countries. I recall us selling steel to the US even though we imported steel, I suspect we stlll produced it due to National Security concerns yet the US probably agree to buy this as a condition of us buying US weapons. May I take it that the emphasis on trade deals is not over stated? |
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Post by jeg er on Oct 25, 2022 15:03:53 GMT
Is the emphasis on trade deals over-stated? I buy food from a supermarket, I don't find them agitating for Brexit they just buy food and you then decide what you like. Similarly have products from companies like IKEA been banned or had import taxes put on them? Not to my knowledge. What am I missing? No. What you seem to be missing is the recognition of the fact that trade, i.e., international trade, is essential and critical to the economy of a nation and to the global economy. And trade deals are vital because you want to have the best quality products at low prices. Trade allows you to decide what you like to buy. There's virtually no trade in North Korea. Hence, they don't get to choose between local cheese or cheese from France. the international trade deals are also destroying the planet, they caused the climate emergency and current mass extinction event |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 15:46:48 GMT
No. What you seem to be missing is the recognition of the fact that trade, i.e., international trade, is essential and critical to the economy of a nation and to the global economy. And trade deals are vital because you want to have the best quality products at low prices. Trade allows you to decide what you like to buy. There's virtually no trade in North Korea. Hence, they don't get to choose between local cheese or cheese from France. the international trade deals are also destroying the planet, they caused the climate emergency and current mass extinction event Yes, there is that. So, do we step back from international trade and globalisation and let climate issues be the first consideration? I'm not really sure now. |
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Post by bancroft on Oct 25, 2022 16:52:12 GMT
Trade deals seem to be where governments get involved perhaps like saying if you let our business set up in your country we will allow your businesses to operate x & y services in the UK. Re North Korea they happen to have embargos on trade or sanctions enforced by NATO countries. I recall us selling steel to the US even though we imported steel, I suspect we stlll produced it due to National Security concerns yet the US probably agree to buy this as a condition of us buying US weapons. May I take it that the emphasis on trade deals is not over stated? Well it depends on what % of business they contribute to GDP. Searching a bit on this and not a great deal of information and seems to be entwined with general exports and imports and waiving customs tarifs. Does waiving tarifs on food or clothing represent a trade deal or just good sense to avoid inflation in products we do not produce enough of. |
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Post by jeg er on Oct 25, 2022 17:59:39 GMT
the international trade deals are also destroying the planet, they caused the climate emergency and current mass extinction event Yes, there is that. So, do we step back from international trade and globalisation and let climate issues be the first consideration? I'm not really sure now. Well, yeh, of course we do. Otherwise we are all dead. Surely you prefer living over whether or not you can a wide selection of cheeses to choose from at any time at any place on the planet? |
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