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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 3, 2023 0:24:20 GMT
An engineer was born to innovate. That's the kind of animal it is. The more ideas you see, the more new ideas you have. An economy that does not do patents is an economy where everyone is racing to get ahead of everyone else. The option of innovate once and then have rights as taxman encourages you to sit on your arse. The alternative is, you innovate once, you are 6m ahead of your rival. By the time your rival has copied your innovation you are two more innovations ahead. You are just repeating the same reasoning error again. If there is no or little advantage to engaging in innovation, the optimal strategy is to focus on copying the innovations of others. It's the same as arguing that allowing theft distributes goods - sure it does, but there is a problem. You can't copy something that does not exist. Anyway, the way it works is you don't do a direct copy but take some of the ideas that you like and then add in your own improvements. It's like evolution. Each product has its own unique genetic makeup, but some features exist across many products. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 3, 2023 0:27:30 GMT
Apart from Covid I'm struggling to think of any great inventions coming out of China in recent years.. Where is the Chinese DARPA? You don't get these things reported in your papers.Tons of amazing tech has been invented in China and a lot of that is in the last ten years. They hold many world records in industry as well. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 3, 2023 0:36:52 GMT
Baron, so you think people who spend years, sometimes decades, and millions of dollars inventing something, should just let people copy their work once they're finished and get an equal share of the profits once all the hard work is done? You seriously think that's fair? let me tell you why that's a bad idea - if that was the status quo, no one would want to invent anything, because of the cost and work required - everyone would want to make cheap copies. Your thinking literally explains the problems with the communist mindset and why Russia and China have barely invented anything in the past hundred years compared to the west which has and continues to dominate innovation and technology. It would organise itself differently, so that many people each make a small contribution. R and D is often a continuous process. Direct copies are often not as good as they would lack the understanding of exactly how it works. I mean scientists work in this way. I've seen it in the market anyway, and what happens in practice is the original sells for a higher price. It also gets better known as people see the copies and often want the original. |
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Post by Orac on May 3, 2023 6:24:00 GMT
You are just repeating the same reasoning error again. If there is no or little advantage to engaging in innovation, the optimal strategy is to focus on copying the innovations of others. It's the same as arguing that allowing theft distributes goods - sure it does, but there is a problem. You can't copy something that does not exist. Correct. However the optimal strategy is to wait for others to make the investment and then just copy it. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 3, 2023 6:45:59 GMT
Apart from Covid I'm struggling to think of any great inventions coming out of China in recent years.. Where is the Chinese DARPA? You don't get these things reported in your papers.Tons of amazing tech has been invented in China and a lot of that is in the last ten years. They hold many world records in industry as well. So China is inventing all this great stuff and then keeping it secret - why?. How does that benefit society?. |
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Post by Vinny on May 3, 2023 9:46:38 GMT
Military thinking gave us modern medical techniques, modern transportation, our computers.
It has been a necessary driver of technological progress.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 3, 2023 11:57:18 GMT
You don't get these things reported in your papers.Tons of amazing tech has been invented in China and a lot of that is in the last ten years. They hold many world records in industry as well. So China is inventing all this great stuff and then keeping it secret - why?. How does that benefit society?. Why, because you are too lazy to look.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 3, 2023 12:01:15 GMT
You can't copy something that does not exist. Correct. However the optimal strategy is to wait for others to make the investment and then just copy it. This is the UK's strategy. Ask Uncle Sam for permission first.
The UK managed to copy all their woke and black lives matter. They pulled their own statues down.
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Post by Orac on May 3, 2023 12:12:40 GMT
Correct. However the optimal strategy is to wait for others to make the investment and then just copy it. This is the UK's strategy. Ask Uncle Sam for permission first.
The UK managed to copy all their woke and black lives matter. They pulled their own statues down.
On this sad state of affairs, you and I differ very little. Though your Praise of Dianne Abbot is a bit peculiar |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 3, 2023 12:30:15 GMT
Military thinking gave us modern medical techniques, modern transportation, our computers. It has been a necessary driver of technological progress. It's more like things like computers needed government investment because no one firm was willing to put billions into a thing that might never return a profit. Do you recall Babbage could not get government funding from Parliament for the very first computer?
It's one of those things which is both a blessing and a curse. If its not for killing someone then it factors way down the priorities of the militant governments we and the US have, which are of course a collection of military thinkers.
The US is the richest country on earth, yet in rich states like California the streets are littered with homeless people in tents. Then if you go to one of their military installations you can see billions of pounds have been spent all around you, with money coming out of their ears. If you go to China you won't see such a large military, but then you will never see a homeless person on the streets, no matter where you look. It's a matter of where the money is spent from taxes.
Indeed many people I hear from are convinced the US is about to topple. The trouble is it will drag us down with it if we remain glued to the same ideology. What we really aught to do is reassess our beliefs. We are a very traditional country and cherish our traditions, but amongst them is the tradition of brutality and primitive behaviour. If we do not adapt our ways to modern times we will continue to fall behind. You see what worked back in about 1500 and made us great will not do the same for us now. The clue here is being technically smart is far more powerful than physical force, and the other thing is, being a bastard of a country will de-power us too. To create power in the modern world is to be known and respected in the marketplace. For example Germans are not respected for their support of Hitler, but they have clawed back respect by making good cars we appreciate and benefit from. Selling billions of pounds of top cars around the world makes you money and power, plus you get support from other nations and respect too. The real war is in the marketplace now and we are losing it. US sanctions against Russia look like a sanction too far. The world is now trying to cut the US out of the global financial system by building a replacement not under their control. Military thinking would say the sanctions against Russia were "entirely justified" (to quote the universal military brain), but they are not looking like that now in the real world.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 3, 2023 12:34:55 GMT
This is the UK's strategy. Ask Uncle Sam for permission first.
The UK managed to copy all their woke and black lives matter. They pulled their own statues down.
On this sad state of affairs, you and I differ very little. Though your Praise of Dianne Abbot is a bit peculiar I don't agree with her politics but I'd probably enjoy her company. She take the piss out of the pomposity and idiocy of many of our MPs, so as far as that goes I'm onboard. I appreciate those who think differently. I think she does think for herself, so credit for that. The worse in my mind is the blind follower, expecting a ride of the gravy train for their following services. |
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Post by besoeker3 on May 3, 2023 14:10:43 GMT
No it does not. If you allow businesses to copy anothers invention or discovery then there is no incentive to invest in research. Hence the introduction of Patent Laws in the 1400's I quite agree. I and a colleague invented several new designs in the power electronics field. We did patent one of them. A mistake. Keep it to your selves. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 3, 2023 16:47:39 GMT
So China is inventing all this great stuff and then keeping it secret - why?. How does that benefit society?. Why, because you are too lazy to look.
Radio telescopes were invented by the Yanks in the 1930's - you are having a laugh if you think they are an example of Chinese technological progress..  |
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Post by bancroft on May 3, 2023 18:59:33 GMT
Military thinking gave us modern medical techniques, modern transportation, our computers. It has been a necessary driver of technological progress. It's more like things like computers needed government investment because no one firm was willing to put billions into a thing that might never return a profit. Do you recall Babbage could not get government funding from Parliament for the very first computer?
It's one of those things which is both a blessing and a curse. If its not for killing someone then it factors way down the priorities of the militant governments we and the US have, which are of course a collection of military thinkers.
The US is the richest country on earth, yet in rich states like California the streets are littered with homeless people in tents. Then if you go to one of their military installations you can see billions of pounds have been spent all around you, with money coming out of their ears. If you go to China you won't see such a large military, but then you will never see a homeless person on the streets, no matter where you look. It's a matter of where the money is spent from taxes.
Indeed many people I hear from are convinced the US is about to topple. The trouble is it will drag us down with it if we remain glued to the same ideology. What we really aught to do is reassess our beliefs. We are a very traditional country and cherish our traditions, but amongst them is the tradition of brutality and primitive behaviour. If we do not adapt our ways to modern times we will continue to fall behind. You see what worked back in about 1500 and made us great will not do the same for us now. The clue here is being technically smart is far more powerful than physical force, and the other thing is, being a bastard of a country will de-power us too. To create power in the modern world is to be known and respected in the marketplace. For example Germans are not respected for their support of Hitler, but they have clawed back respect by making good cars we appreciate and benefit from. Selling billions of pounds of top cars around the world makes you money and power, plus you get support from other nations and respect too. The real war is in the marketplace now and we are losing it. US sanctions against Russia look like a sanction too far. The world is now trying to cut the US out of the global financial system by building a replacement not under their control. Military thinking would say the sanctions against Russia were "entirely justified" (to quote the universal military brain), but they are not looking like that now in the real world.
The US with its 800+ bases has over 1m serviceman abroad to influence. Us and Europe and Australasia will suffer as our economies have all been linked to America just look at the timing of interest rate changes. Janet Yellen warning if the House refuses to raise the debt level onMonday the US could lose credibility, this sounds serious..... www.forbes.com/video/6326582519112/yellen-urges-congress-to-raise-debt-limit-immediately-warning-us-could-run-out-of-money-by-june/?sh=247a1e06681e |
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Post by bancroft on May 3, 2023 19:13:25 GMT
More on Janet Lewin Biden called Hill leaders following Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen’s warning that the U.S. could default on its $31.4 trillion in debt in as little as 30 days. Yellen’s stunning forecast piles new pressure on Hill leaders and the White House to strike a bipartisan fiscal deal as cross-party talks remain deadlocked.www.politico.com/news/2023/05/01/u-s-could-breach-debt-limit-by-june-1-yellen-warns-00094731Now Biden does not have a majority on the House because he 'stole the election' IMO and this is where there may be payback. Now they might agree after some wrangling if he agrees to renege on some of his domestic spending pledges. Now back to the debt having the USD as the global reserve currency allows the debt build up though if the BRICS collectively work against this they may break this US debt machine. Of course the US might decide to buzz some of those nations with their F-35s at certain times to try and play ball. |
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