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Post by Bentley on May 1, 2023 16:59:58 GMT
Go and read some of the Gammon posts scattered all over this forum. They're very concerned about white rights, white jobs, white housing, etc. Are those gammons on the left, Benny? Red keeps moaning about the fact that his son didn't get a job in the police force because he was the wrong colour. Does that make him a lefty? It is strange how asking for equal opportunity becomes Gammon posts. They just don’t see it. Supporting ( including being proud of) your own ethnic groups and asking for equal opportunities are fine as long as you are not white.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 18:34:10 GMT
Red keeps moaning about the fact that his son didn't get a job in the police force because he was the wrong colour. Does that make him a lefty? No, it probably makes him truthful as the same thing happened to my son in September 2008 with Thames Valley Police. Another victim of so called positive discrimination, which was negative to him, until he got a better job, that is, which doesn't involve dealing with the scum of the earth.
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Post by Einhorn on May 1, 2023 18:39:53 GMT
Red keeps moaning about the fact that his son didn't get a job in the police force because he was the wrong colour. Does that make him a lefty? No, it probably makes him truthful as the same thing happened to my son in September 2008 with Thames Valley Police. Another victim of so called positive discrimination, which was negative to him, until he got a better job, that is, which doesn't involve dealing with the scum of the earth. So, you're left-wing, then?
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Post by Einhorn on May 1, 2023 18:40:42 GMT
Go and read some of the Gammon posts scattered all over this forum. They're very concerned about white rights, white jobs, white housing, etc. Are those gammons on the left, Benny? Red keeps moaning about the fact that his son didn't get a job in the police force because he was the wrong colour. Does that make him a lefty? It is strange how asking for equal opportunity becomes Gammon posts. Are you on the left or right, Sandy?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 18:41:09 GMT
No, it probably makes him truthful as the same thing happened to my son in September 2008 with Thames Valley Police. Another victim of so called positive discrimination, which was negative to him, until he got a better job, that is, which doesn't involve dealing with the scum of the earth. So, you're left-wing, then? Nope, dead centre.
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Post by Einhorn on May 1, 2023 18:43:54 GMT
Go and read some of the Gammon posts scattered all over this forum. They're very concerned about white rights, white jobs, white housing, etc. Are those gammons on the left, Benny? Red keeps moaning about the fact that his son didn't get a job in the police force because he was the wrong colour. Does that make him a lefty? I take it that you realise that you have failed miserably to support communism and decided to change the subject 😁 Note..this is not banter . I haven't failed to support communism. If you're going to compare capitalism with communism, then you have to compare early-stage capitalism with early-stage communism. You are comparing early-stage communism with late-stage capitalism. Both early-stage capitalism and communism were horrific. If you compare the life of a worker in a Manchester mill during early-stage capitalism with the life of a worker on a Russian collective in early-stage communism, you won't find that the mill worker in Manchester comes out far ahead.
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Post by Einhorn on May 1, 2023 18:44:45 GMT
So, you're left-wing, then? Nope, dead centre. Ever supported Nigel Farage or UKIP? I suspect you're a locationally challenged gammon, Ned.
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Post by Bentley on May 1, 2023 18:48:12 GMT
I take it that you realise that you have failed miserably to support communism and decided to change the subject 😁 Note..this is not banter . I haven't failed to support communism. If you're going to compare capitalism with communism, then you have to compare early-stage capitalism with early-stage communism. You are comparing early-stage communism with late-stage communism. Both early-stage capitalism and communism were horrific. If you compare the life of a worker in a Manchester mill during early capitalism with the life of a worker on a Russian collective in early-stage communism, you won't find that the mill worker in Manchester comes out far ahead. No you don’t . Have to accept that communism has never succeeded and stop pulling excuses out of the air . Communism doesn’t work and doesn’t last .
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Post by Einhorn on May 1, 2023 18:52:07 GMT
I haven't failed to support communism. If you're going to compare capitalism with communism, then you have to compare early-stage capitalism with early-stage communism. You are comparing early-stage communism with late-stage communism. Both early-stage capitalism and communism were horrific. If you compare the life of a worker in a Manchester mill during early capitalism with the life of a worker on a Russian collective in early-stage communism, you won't find that the mill worker in Manchester comes out far ahead. No you don’t . Have to accept that communism has never succeeded and stop pulling excuses out of the air . Communism doesn’t work and doesn’t last . How do you know? It's only been around a short time. Early-stage capitalism was just as gruesome as early-stage communism. Marx said that communism would occur of its own accord. He said that there would be a slow march to communism through socialism, that Western governments would become more and more socialist as time passes. Have you noticed the number of people around here complaining that the Tories are becoming more socialist, Benny? That's what Marx was talking about. So, Marxism hasn't arrived yet, but if there's any credence to the complaints being made by your gammon chums, it's on its way. It's far too soon to say it's failed.
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Post by Bentley on May 1, 2023 18:57:17 GMT
No you don’t . Have to accept that communism has never succeeded and stop pulling excuses out of the air . Communism doesn’t work and doesn’t last . How do you know? It's only been around a short time. Early-stage capitalism was just as gruesome as early-stage communism. Marx said that communism would occur of its own accord. He said that there would be a slow march to communism through socialism, that Western governments would become more and more socialist as time passes. Have you noticed the number of people around here complaining that the Tories are becoming more socialist, Benny? That's what Marx was talking about. So, Marxism hasn't arrived yet. It's far too soon to say it's failed. The fact that communism repeatedly fails quickly might be a clue. The fact that it repeatedly turns into totalitarian dystopia might be another .
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Post by Einhorn on May 1, 2023 19:10:18 GMT
How do you know? It's only been around a short time. Early-stage capitalism was just as gruesome as early-stage communism. Marx said that communism would occur of its own accord. He said that there would be a slow march to communism through socialism, that Western governments would become more and more socialist as time passes. Have you noticed the number of people around here complaining that the Tories are becoming more socialist, Benny? That's what Marx was talking about. So, Marxism hasn't arrived yet. It's far too soon to say it's failed. The fact that communism repeatedly fails quickly might be a clue. The fact that it repeatedly turns into totalitarian dystopia might be another . Early-stage capitalism was a dystopia. Do you want a description of the living conditions endured by mill workers in Manchester during early capitalism? Do you want descriptions of the hangings under the Bloody Code? Or, descriptions of Indians tied to cannons and blown up to secure foreign markets for capitalism? Nasty stuff. What was going on in Russia during early-stage communism wasn't much better. Both were shit, Benny. Some on the left would argue that communism hasn't happened anywhere yet. Marx said it would and could only exist in an advanced industrial society. So, how could it have failed if it hasn't even existed? As I've already pointed out, he said that the industrial economies in the West would slowly turn towards socialism. Your mates on here who regularly complain that the Tories are now socialists would appear to bear him out. Marx was a populist in the sense that his socialist utopia would hold regular plebiscites. Can you point to a single country which you claim has experienced communism that held regular democratic plebiscites? If you can't, then you can't point to an example of Marxism. Marx said that a Marxist state was only possible in a country that had a long tradition of liberal democracy. I don't see that Russia or China had either an advanced industrial economy or a long tradition of liberal democracy. So, where has Marxism existed? And, once again, if it's never existed, how can it have failed?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 19:18:58 GMT
Ever supported Nigel Farage or UKIP? I suspect you're a locationally challenged gammon, Ned. I'd love to hear a bit more about you, too, Darling.
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Post by Einhorn on May 1, 2023 19:21:38 GMT
Ever supported Nigel Farage or UKIP? I suspect you're a locationally challenged gammon, Ned. I'd love to hear a bit more about you, too, Darling. Are you authoritarian? Do you believe people should conform (little or no tolerance for different cultures, lifestyles (gay, transgender), etc.? Do you believe in harsh prison sentences for criminals? Are you nationalistic? Do you think the Empire was a good thing? If the answers to the above are mainly yes, then you're on the right, Ned. I don't know you well enough to say you are, but, taking a guess, I would say so.
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Post by sandypine on May 1, 2023 19:35:22 GMT
It is strange how asking for equal opportunity becomes Gammon posts. Are you on the left or right, Sandy? I was always well left, I think I now reside on the right but then all of that is subjective. I believe that everyone should be treated the same in law, for some reason that places me on the far right. Why is that?
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Post by sandypine on May 1, 2023 19:39:18 GMT
I'd love to hear a bit more about you, too, Darling. Are you authoritarian? Do you believe people should conform (little or no tolerance for different cultures, lifestyles (gay, transgender), etc.? Do you believe in harsh prison sentences for criminals? Are you nationalistic? Do you think the Empire was a good thing? If the answers to the above are mainly yes, then you're on the right, Ned. I don't know you well enough to say you are, but, taking a guess, I would say so. There is nothing more authoritarian than saying who you can and cannot freely associate with and who you can and cannot employ. If one is to tolerate different cultures then why is it forbidden to form any group predicated on a white ethnic culture?
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