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Post by Vinny on Apr 26, 2023 12:51:25 GMT
They were too soft on Russia.
They are too soft on China.
They've done fuck all about Saudi Arabia.
Absolute waste of space.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2023 17:01:24 GMT
Do you mean soft with sanctions? Or do you mean militarily?
If the former, they can impose sanctions but each constituent country may or may not stick to them
If you mean the latter, the EU is not a country and cannot declare war on Russia or any other country.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 26, 2023 20:36:43 GMT
The former.
Whilst Russia fell into fascism and started wars of aggression, they did nothing to intervene against that dictatorship and the membership happily carried on buying blood oil and blood gas from it.
Gangsters were buying real estate around the EU, including in this former member state.
The Commission were bloody useless.
And the Council too.
It's no wonder Putin thought he could just walk into Ukraine without any consequences.
The EU are soft.
Macron's first response to the war was, let's negotiate, let's negoatiate.
There's nothing to fucking negotiate, it's an illegal invasion, invaders out.
When someone's trying to kill you, you don't lower your defences and do a bargain where they only cut your arm off.
Once it's off, it's easier for them to finish the job.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2023 20:54:01 GMT
The UK is one of Saudi Arabia's leading and biggest supplier of arms.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 26, 2023 21:23:28 GMT
The UK is one of Saudi Arabia's leading and biggest supplier of arms. Someone has to. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2023 21:35:25 GMT
The UK is one of Saudi Arabia's leading and biggest supplier of arms. Someone has to. Someone has to supply arms to Saudi Arabia? Whether it's right or wrong and whichever side of the arms-supply argument you're on, the premise below is flawed: "The EU are too soft on dictatorships; they've done fuck all about Saudi Arabia."
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Post by Vinny on Apr 26, 2023 21:40:14 GMT
Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship.
We shouldn't be arming it.
Too many clerics over there teach hatred of the infidel.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2023 21:43:49 GMT
Then both the EU and the UK are too soft on dictatorships.
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 27, 2023 6:06:32 GMT
Clearly, the EU cannot organise itself and show a unified front.
You have Macron creeping up to Putin and him and Von de Leyen making a clusterfuck of their trip when visiting China by showing transatlantic and European disunity.
Its disunity makes it look weak. Same with its covid rollout as well.
Like headless chickens all running in different directions serving their own purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2023 11:04:17 GMT
IMO, the "disunity" is a clear indication that beyond criticisms of shared sovereignty, EU member countries are ultimately sovereign and independent from one another and from the EU.
The EU imposes sanctions against Russia? -- Manny Macron creeps up to Putin (according to some). Bucharest is with Brussels in supporting Ukraine? -- Next door neighbour Sofia is unashamedly pro Russia. The EU may have a few exclusive and shared competences, but if you look at it closely, these competences are related to and based on issues of trade and achievement of wealth through trade. IMO.
The EU will always big itself up like a puffer fish but in reality it does not have a say on how a member country taxes its citizens; on how to control the economy and the society; on international relations; on form of government; on fiscal and monetary policies (monetary policies except for Eurozone countries); on joining the Eurozone; on military; on whether to sell arms to Saudi Arabia or not; ad infinitum.
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Post by patman post on Apr 27, 2023 13:39:52 GMT
IMO, the "disunity" is a clear indication that beyond criticisms of shared sovereignty, EU member countries are ultimately sovereign and independent from one another and from the EU. The EU imposes sanctions against Russia? -- Manny Macron creeps up to Putin (according to some). Bucharest is with Brussels in supporting Ukraine? -- Next door neighbour Sofia is unashamedly pro Russia. The EU may have a few exclusive and shared competences, but if you look at it closely, these competences are related to and based on issues of trade and achievement of wealth through trade. IMO. The EU will always big itself up like a puffer fish but in reality it does not have a say on how a member country taxes its citizens; on how to control the economy and the society; on international relations; on form of government; on fiscal and monetary policies (monetary policies except for Eurozone countries); on joining the Eurozone; on military; on whether to sell arms to Saudi Arabia or not; ad infinitum. Not quite as I would have phrased those points, but they appear essentially true. The EU is based on trade and, where possible, trade-associated common/equal practices.
Proposals for formal military alignment and unification haven't been taken up, and even legal systems are not common.
Trading contacts appear to be the safest way of winning over hearts and minds. The forceful military imposition of regime change didn't work in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, etc. But countries like Chile, South Africa, and most of those in the former USSR were encouraged toward democracy through observing the benefits of freer economies, and the failures of dictatorships both Right and Left...
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