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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 8:12:10 GMT
Why are you blaming the British workers? Fundamentally lazy, wants something for nothing. You have just described the human race mate. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 23, 2022 8:38:09 GMT
The root cause of our economic problems was Brown's 2007/8 Credit Crunch which ended up with the BoE having to raise QE of nearly £400 billion. Then we had the Covid pandemic which required further QE (about £450 billion for furlough). Sunak also made a balls up various handouts (Bounce back loans that were an invitation to fraudsters to fill their boots - which cost over £40 billion). And then we had the Ukraine war which exacerbated the commodity crisis created by Covid leading to higher interest rates to combat inflation. A perfect storm - we're sitting on huge borrowings and then interest rates start rising. The OP is right. We expect too much. Too many people think that they can solve their cost of living crisis by demanding inflation-linked pay rises (or even benefit rises) but that's just a vicious circle which will cause inflation to spiral. We've been paid too much for too little (in the way of productivity) for decades and this is the result. I do have some sympathy with the Royal Mail employees, but most of the rest (especially the rail workers) deserve NO rise whatsoever. Exactly for years the Unions have been under the illusion that all business owners are rich that they can afford to pay over the top wage demands with ease, because they are loaded born with silver spoon and inherited zillions of pounds so can afford it. More often than not it is the other way round, they started a business with money they have borrowed from the Bank, re mortgaged their house rented a workshop or whatever bought machinery transport if they can't make a profit, they lose everything end up with nothing a declared bankrupt and their workers on the dole |
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Post by colbops on Oct 23, 2022 10:23:38 GMT
Fundamentally lazy, wants something for nothing. Nurses are lazy? Figures for absenteeism are going up & up. Nobody wants to do an honest day's work anymore! |
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Post by piglet on Oct 23, 2022 11:41:21 GMT
I arrived in Birmingham in 1979, at Rubery, next to Longbridge. Metros were running off the production lines day and night, on trains and multi layered lorries. Austin was making a fortune.
From that it went to being sold for a tenner, and that was over priced. The stories i heard about what went on there are truly shocking. It was about red robbo, and striking for the sake. So there you have the evidence redrum, how brummies cut there own throat economically. Socialists dont seem to understand what buys them houses, cars, holidays, etc. Its called a job.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 12:21:16 GMT
The majority of British workers want decent pay and conditions.
Why do you think workers in well paid jobs do not go on strike.Is it really lazy to not want to accept real terms cut in your pay? Workers have never had so many rights and good working conditions like they have now.
So why are train drivers on strike then?
It's bloody stupid when it will be the straw that breaks the camels back.
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 24, 2022 1:32:16 GMT
I work for Royal Mail and I am currently taking part in industrial action. Read the following and tell me that any of it is because I am lazy or trying to bring down the government: Royal Mail, without negotiation with the Unions has: Imposed a 2% pay rise. Informed me that they are going to impose: Annualized hours (Send me home when it is quiet, and then I have to make up the time when they say, and on days outside of my rota. So I could be doing 60 hour weeks at xmas for 40-hour money lol) Start sick pay from week two, instead of day one, and at SSP rates. Make me work Sundays, and at flat rate. New staff will start on 20% less money. I'm a truck driver, so I'm not getting it half as bad as the Posties. They have been told their day will start 3 hours later so they will be delivering mail at 6pm! They have even been told they need to "walk faster" so they can do more deliveries lol.I Aint Royal mail talking laying off 10, 000 workers The CEO is nutcase. He is waging a one-man war on the union and failing big time. He seems to spend most of his day on social media picking fights with his workers and the union. He makes a big play of being open to talks at any time and then he doesn't turn up, and worse still while the union are sat in a room with his dumfounded staff he pops up on media and announces jobs cuts etc. After the 10,000 job cut announcement he promised more talks, and then didn't turn up again lol. His representatives had no clue what these 10,000 job cuts are lol. |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 24, 2022 1:39:44 GMT
The root cause of our economic problems was Brown's 2007/8 Credit Crunch which ended up with the BoE having to raise QE of nearly £400 billion. Then we had the Covid pandemic which required further QE (about £450 billion for furlough). Sunak also made a balls up various handouts (Bounce back loans that were an invitation to fraudsters to fill their boots - which cost over £40 billion). And then we had the Ukraine war which exacerbated the commodity crisis created by Covid leading to higher interest rates to combat inflation. A perfect storm - we're sitting on huge borrowings and then interest rates start rising. The OP is right. We expect too much. Too many people think that they can solve their cost of living crisis by demanding inflation-linked pay rises (or even benefit rises) but that's just a vicious circle which will cause inflation to spiral. We've been paid too much for too little (in the way of productivity) for decades and this is the result. I do have some sympathy with the Royal Mail employees, but most of the rest (especially the rail workers) deserve NO rise whatsoever. Exactly for years the Unions have been under the illusion that all business owners are rich that they can afford to pay over the top wage demands with ease, because they are loaded born with silver spoon and inherited zillions of pounds so can afford it. More often than not it is the other way round, they started a business with money they have borrowed from the Bank, re mortgaged their house rented a workshop or whatever bought machinery transport if they can't make a profit, they lose everything end up with nothing a declared bankrupt and their workers on the dole Cool story. So how come Royal Mail can make £750m in profit, hand out 450m in dividends, pay bonuses to its directors, give the CEO and his top team £500k in shares... and then claim it is losing £1m a day so can only afford a 2% pay rise? Nearly all these disputes have two elements, ridiculously low pay increases compared to inflation, and the employer wanting to rip up the terms and conditions of their workers. Please provide details of the "over the top wage demands" you are claiming. Good luck. |
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Post by sword on Oct 24, 2022 14:35:54 GMT
I arrived in Birmingham in 1979, at Rubery, next to Longbridge. Metros were running off the production lines day and night, on trains and multi layered lorries. Austin was making a fortune. From that it went to being sold for a tenner, and that was over priced. The stories i heard about what went on there are truly shocking. It was about red robbo, and striking for the sake. So there you have the evidence redrum, how brummies cut there own throat economically. Socialists dont seem to understand what buys them houses, cars, holidays, etc. Its called a job. But not a job at any price or we would end up like Bangladesh,you don't really believe in Unions do you? if you are a normal working chap i find that unbelievable. |
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