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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 1, 2023 1:11:24 GMT
I certainly see the West being flooded with cheap rubbish Chinese cars that end up being just like consumer electronics and being totally disposable after about 5 years of service. I certainly do not see anyone bothering to keep 20 year old BYD's, Great Wall, Geeley etc on the road - they will all be in landfill. A few years ago I had a look at Chinese cars and they were dirt cheap and a bit like the old soviet cars, but the latest ones are more like Teslas. The style is a bit funny though. Girls over there like cute-looking cars. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 1, 2023 7:01:00 GMT
I certainly see the West being flooded with cheap rubbish Chinese cars that end up being just like consumer electronics and being totally disposable after about 5 years of service. I certainly do not see anyone bothering to keep 20 year old BYD's, Great Wall, Geeley etc on the road - they will all be in landfill. A few years ago I had a look at Chinese cars and they were dirt cheap and a bit like the old soviet cars, but the latest ones are more like Teslas. The style is a bit funny though. Girls over there like cute-looking cars. Well that doesn't say much, Teslas are notorious for bad build quality. Although apparently Tesla in China are considered quality when compared to the local offerings. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 1, 2023 11:38:56 GMT
A few years ago I had a look at Chinese cars and they were dirt cheap and a bit like the old soviet cars, but the latest ones are more like Teslas. The style is a bit funny though. Girls over there like cute-looking cars. Well that doesn't say much, Teslas are notorious for bad build quality. Although apparently Tesla in China are considered quality when compared to the local offerings. I've had a good look at the reviews of modern Chinese cars. They are very well designed and manufactured. They sell for about half the price of the Western equivalent and don't have the problems. Looking inside a Chinese factory shows you why. Far more processes are automated in China than they are in the UK. I mean lets say you want to manufacture a PCB. In China you have one production line which is automated end to end bar one or two operators who do a little bit of the process like a visual inspection point. In the UK you have separate machines which an operator stands over each one and feeds it the stuff and collects it when finished. Actually a big reason why UK manufacturing is so backward is a lot of firms do military contracts where there is no incentive to charge the taxpayer less. This is when you as a firm get charged 10x the going rate. So if you are UK then you should shut the fuck up with your Chinese manufacturing criticism until you have your own shit together, which you most certainly have not. |
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Post by patman post on May 1, 2023 13:08:13 GMT
Too many businesses closed down their UK production lines when we were in, even HP Sauce is made abroad. Even Colgate toothpaste is now imported. And yet membership of an organisation that basically gave rise to the asset stripping of our country is touted by some as being "progressive". Is it fuck. Wasn't Colgate always a US brand?
If business owners/shareholders decide to sell their businesses because that's more profitable than operating it, are they to be blamed?
A significant number of start-ups begin with the objective of building up value, then selling.
Don't see how membership or non-membership of the EU assisted or hampered acquisitions. Even hostile bids need a majority of shareholders to agree to sell if they are to succeed...
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Post by Vinny on May 1, 2023 16:18:22 GMT
Ford is a US brand.
You've missed the point.
The EU made it easier to have a race to the bottom.
Instead of trying to create a balanced union of equals, it has created a market.
Economic Darwinism.
It contributed to industrial decline in our country and nobody had a democratic say in the matter.
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Post by Dan Dare on May 1, 2023 16:26:54 GMT
Ford is a US brand. You've missed the point. The EU made it easier to have a race to the bottom. Instead of trying to create a balanced union of equals, it has created a market. Economic Darwinism. It contributed to industrial decline in our country and nobody had a democratic say in the matter. If you are claiming that industrial decline in the form of an absence of a domestic auto industry in the UK is evidence of Economic Darwinism resulting from membership of the EU then why hasn't something similar happened in Germany, France and Italy? |
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Post by Vinny on May 1, 2023 18:07:57 GMT
You mean like the PSA group factory in Aulnay (France) which closed a decade ago?
It has happened on the continent.
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