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Post by Bentley on Apr 16, 2023 20:40:18 GMT
Just claim the ‘ far right ‘ groups join in and the lefties will only see the words ‘ far right’.
Inside their fevered little heads they will see goose stepping Nazis without even thinking what far right means or whether it’s true .
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 16, 2023 20:47:26 GMT
I'd rather just stick to the facts rather than have someone decide for me what to call "fair". But you clearly are NOT sticking to the facts are you with that careful editing out of that key: “Local protesters and mainstream politicians were joined by conspiracy theorists and far right groups.”Why? Because anyone who was not considered "local" or a mainstream politician is classed by the BBC as a conspiracy theorist or far-right and the BBC haven't actually shown this to be the case. It's a case of, because they said so it must be true. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 16, 2023 22:54:39 GMT
It would be interesting to know how the BBC arrived at the view that 'conspiracy theorists' and 'far right groups' were present as they presented no evidence to that end. It would be interesting what conspiracies they are referring to and what far right groups. It seems like either very sloppy reporting, pure invention or just parroting Khan Don't whinge, make some enquiries write to the BBC they have a program dealing with such complaints. Is this what Khan said, or are you just making this piece up to suit yourself? Khan said it. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 16, 2023 22:58:39 GMT
It would be interesting to know how the BBC arrived at the view that 'conspiracy theorists' and 'far right groups' were present as they presented no evidence to that end. It would be interesting what conspiracies they are referring to and what far right groups. It seems like either very sloppy reporting, pure invention or just parroting Khan Interesting maybe but 'surprising' unlikely. I suggest they probably talked to some of the groups, recognised faces from other demos and heard some of the chants. All sorts of extreme groups get themselves involved in far more mainstream demos. That is just pure guesswork, if they saw people they would have indicated who, if they heard things they would have said what, if there were placards there they would have a picture, all to illustrate their point. Nothing so no evidence other than the word of the BBC and maybe twenty years ago that counted for something nowadays it is worth sod all. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 17, 2023 8:54:18 GMT
So, according to the BBC, which far right groups attended?
The comment was almost certainly just tacked on as part of a standard editorial position of antipathy to the protests (a position the BBC should not have). Even if some members of right wing groups were present, the comment could still be described as biased as some members of left wing groups were also almost certainly also present - ie lie by omission / selection
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Post by Handyman on Apr 17, 2023 9:11:39 GMT
The BBC said, according to your post --- “Local protesters and mainstream politicians were joined by conspiracy theorists and far right groups.” So where does your "BBC claims anyone who doesn't back Sadiq Khan's ULEZ is 'far right' and a 'conspiracy theorist'
If that wasn't a mistake on your part, then it was a disgusting insinuation made or repeated by yourself. It would be interesting to know how the BBC arrived at the view that 'conspiracy theorists' and 'far right groups' were present as they presented no evidence to that end. It would be interesting what conspiracies they are referring to and what far right groups. It seems like either very sloppy reporting, pure invention or just parroting Khan I agree it would be interesting to know how they came to that conclusion , and who wrote the script |
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Post by Steve on Apr 17, 2023 10:28:20 GMT
Interesting maybe but 'surprising' unlikely. I suggest they probably talked to some of the groups, recognised faces from other demos and heard some of the chants. All sorts of extreme groups get themselves involved in far more mainstream demos. That is just pure guesswork, if they saw people they would have indicated who, if they heard things they would have said what, if there were placards there they would have a picture, all to illustrate their point. Nothing so no evidence other than the word of the BBC and maybe twenty years ago that counted for something nowadays it is worth sod all. Oh the irony The guesswork is by yourself in the highlighted bits above. Feel free to show your proof that the BBC had no information identifying people there as known far fight of conspiracy theorists |
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Post by Steve on Apr 17, 2023 10:29:41 GMT
But you clearly are NOT sticking to the facts are you with that careful editing out of that key: “Local protesters and mainstream politicians were joined by conspiracy theorists and far right groups.”Why? Because anyone who was not considered "local" or a mainstream politician is classed by the BBC as a conspiracy theorist or far-right and the BBC haven't actually shown this to be the case. It's a case of, because they said so it must be true. Not so. The BBC didn't say only joined by conspiracy theorists and far right groups did they? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Apr 17, 2023 12:53:00 GMT
I was watching the BBC's Countryfile yesterday - mainly about environmental issues. It's a pity it was full of EU fans accusing the govt of trying to use Brexit to abandon initiatives to help wildlife and the environment. We're apparently repealing all EU laws/rules in order to pillage the environment - although I'm not aware that we've yet repealed any EU laws.
Yet when one of the little kids they'd brought along to "educate" asked why all the hedges and trees on the farm's fields had disappeared the "grown-ups" didn't say that the reason was that the EU's Single Farm Payment (SFPS) only paid for land that could be farmed, so most farms (both here and in the EU) have removed their trees and hedges to maximise EU grants - thus removing natural habitats for wildlife. The post CAP initiative (ELMS) that we now have actually pays farmers to reinstate hedges etc.
It's about time the BBC started employing people who know what's going on - not just spouting the EU line.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 17, 2023 13:06:53 GMT
I know quite a few people who went to the demo on Saturday (I would have gone myself but for work commitments) and I've heard no mention of any "Conspiracy theorists" or "Far Right Groups" from them.
So I'm going to suggest that the BBC are just trotting out their usual pro-Labour, pro-Khan lefty bullshit.
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Post by sandypine on Apr 17, 2023 14:09:59 GMT
That is just pure guesswork, if they saw people they would have indicated who, if they heard things they would have said what, if there were placards there they would have a picture, all to illustrate their point. Nothing so no evidence other than the word of the BBC and maybe twenty years ago that counted for something nowadays it is worth sod all. Oh the irony The guesswork is by yourself in the highlighted bits above. Feel free to show your proof that the BBC had no information identifying people there as known far fight of conspiracy theorists If any had been present we would have been provided with the evidence. A Britain First T-shirt would have been photographed. I suppose a placard saying Digital cash is a digital prison is a 'conspiracy theory' but then what we have is the BBC labelling conspiracy theory groups and far right groups as a piece of lazy, and biased, reporting. If they had a picture they would use it even if it was out of context. I recall the BBC getting film of the BNP fighting at Griffin's Barking count. They did not show footage of Antifa attacking the BNP as the BNP tried to enter the count. The throwaway comment was the BNP doing what they do best. We have come to know what to expect and if they had any evidence it would have been used even if it was way out of context. That is not guesswork that is born from bitter experience. |
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