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Post by sandypine on Apr 12, 2023 17:39:08 GMT
wattsupwiththat.com/2023/04/11/media-fails-ignores-real-world-data-when-it-comes-to-tornadoes-and-climate-change/After the recent devastating tornadoes in the Midwest and South, some media outlets scrambled to try to link the weather events to climate change, when in fact there is no hard data to support this. In fact, tornado data refute claims that tornadoes are increasing in number, range, or severity. However, Salon, Axios, and the Washington Post among others ran articles suggesting climate change is expanding the length of tornado season and area over which tornadoes commonly form, as well as adding ingredients to the atmosphere to make more and bigger tornadoes.
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Post by Toreador on Apr 12, 2023 19:35:45 GMT
wattsupwiththat.com/2023/04/11/media-fails-ignores-real-world-data-when-it-comes-to-tornadoes-and-climate-change/After the recent devastating tornadoes in the Midwest and South, some media outlets scrambled to try to link the weather events to climate change, when in fact there is no hard data to support this. In fact, tornado data refute claims that tornadoes are increasing in number, range, or severity. However, Salon, Axios, and the Washington Post among others ran articles suggesting climate change is expanding the length of tornado season and area over which tornadoes commonly form, as well as adding ingredients to the atmosphere to make more and bigger tornadoes. It's quite possible the media is being egged on to take this approach by the likes of Fat Al Gore. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 12, 2023 19:52:07 GMT
wattsupwiththat.com/2023/04/11/media-fails-ignores-real-world-data-when-it-comes-to-tornadoes-and-climate-change/After the recent devastating tornadoes in the Midwest and South, some media outlets scrambled to try to link the weather events to climate change, when in fact there is no hard data to support this. In fact, tornado data refute claims that tornadoes are increasing in number, range, or severity. However, Salon, Axios, and the Washington Post among others ran articles suggesting climate change is expanding the length of tornado season and area over which tornadoes commonly form, as well as adding ingredients to the atmosphere to make more and bigger tornadoes. It's quite possible the media is being egged on to take this approach by the likes of Fat Al Gore. It is quite probable, what I do not understand is why the likes of many papers and TV news have science editors whose job is supposed to be editing the science output of the paper yet science seems to be the last thing they refer to when it comes to global warming. The article is quite clear tornadoes are not increasing at all, they are in fact decreasing in severity, the reasons tornadoes exist may be tempered by global warming |
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Post by Toreador on Apr 12, 2023 20:48:26 GMT
It's quite possible the media is being egged on to take this approach by the likes of Fat Al Gore. It is quite probable, what I do not understand is why the likes of many papers and TV news have science editors whose job is supposed to be editing the science output of the paper yet science seems to be the last thing they refer to when it comes to global warming. The article is quite clear tornadoes are not increasing at all, they are in fact decreasing in severity, the reasons tornadoes exist may be tempered by global warming They're rabble without a cause. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Apr 13, 2023 6:20:56 GMT
There was a report on the BBC's "More or Less" a few years ago about the claims of increasing extreme weather in Britain. It found that some sources were measuring the severity of an extreme weather "event" by the amount of damage caused (i.e. the cost of repair). This is obviously misleading because there has been a lot of building across the country in recent decades (especially building in inappropriate areas) so the same bad weather now causes more damage. I imagine that the same thing is occurring in the USA. There's certainly been a lot of flimsy housing built in areas known to be prone to tornadoes, hurricanes etc.
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Post by sandypine on Apr 13, 2023 9:42:58 GMT
There was a report on the BBC's "More or Less" a few years ago about the claims of increasing extreme weather in Britain. It found that some sources were measuring the severity of an extreme weather "event" by the amount of damage caused (i.e. the cost of repair). This is obviously misleading because there has been a lot of building across the country in recent decades (especially building in inappropriate areas) so the same bad weather now causes more damage. I imagine that the same thing is occurring in the USA. There's certainly been a lot of flimsy housing built in areas known to be prone to tornadoes, hurricanes etc. If one measures the severity of natural events by death and injury then the levels have plummeted. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 13, 2023 10:33:25 GMT
In a low pressure area, air from high pressure areas move in to equalise the atmospheric pressure causing winds.
If you have a higher difference in pressures, you'll get stronger winds.
Uneven heating of the atmosphere causes the difference in pressures.
Climate change is causing greater heating differences.
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Post by steppenwolf on Apr 13, 2023 10:38:19 GMT
In a low pressure area, air from high pressure areas move in to equalise the atmospheric pressure causing winds. If you have a higher difference in pressures, you'll get stronger winds. Uneven heating of the atmosphere causes the difference in pressures. Climate change is causing greater heating differences.Source? BTW the average global temperature has gone up by 1.1C since 1850. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 13, 2023 10:39:58 GMT
enquiries@metoffice.gov.uk
Here you go.
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Post by steppenwolf on Apr 13, 2023 13:04:31 GMT
I'll put it more simply for you. For a start what evidence do you have that a change of 1.1C over nearly 200 years is "climate change"? Most climate change is caused by catastrophic natural events (like asteroids or volcanic eruptions) and happens very rapidly OR it occurs by gradual change over millennia - and isn't visible over even a few hundred years. The current small amount of warming could be just a blip - like the ETCM.
Secondly what evidence do you have that because the temperature has risen (allegedly) by 1.1C that this leads to a greater difference in air pressures. The climate models do NOT suggest that. So where's your new information that backs up this theory? I haven't read anything that suggests any such thing.
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Post by steppenwolf on Apr 13, 2023 13:11:49 GMT
There was a report on the BBC's "More or Less" a few years ago about the claims of increasing extreme weather in Britain. It found that some sources were measuring the severity of an extreme weather "event" by the amount of damage caused (i.e. the cost of repair). This is obviously misleading because there has been a lot of building across the country in recent decades (especially building in inappropriate areas) so the same bad weather now causes more damage. I imagine that the same thing is occurring in the USA. There's certainly been a lot of flimsy housing built in areas known to be prone to tornadoes, hurricanes etc. If one measures the severity of natural events by death and injury then the levels have plummeted. That's not what I was talking about. I was saying that some sources are measuring the scale of a weather event by the insurance cost of repairs - which doesn't work. It's more a measure of the density of population an area, if anything. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 13, 2023 14:12:53 GMT
In a low pressure area, air from high pressure areas move in to equalise the atmospheric pressure causing winds. If you have a higher difference in pressures, you'll get stronger winds. Uneven heating of the atmosphere causes the difference in pressures. Climate change is causing greater heating differences. The tornadoes are caused by cold air meeting warm air but if the arctic is warming then that cold air is a bit warmer and the reactions are lessened. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 13, 2023 14:15:41 GMT
If one measures the severity of natural events by death and injury then the levels have plummeted. That's not what I was talking about. I was saying that some sources are measuring the scale of a weather event by the insurance cost of repairs - which doesn't work. It's more a measure of the density of population an area, if anything. I agree. One aspect of the Pakistan floods that were held up as a definitive example of global warming in action was that poor people had migrated to flood plains and there was very poor maintenance of the flood control system. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 13, 2023 14:21:31 GMT
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Post by sandypine on Apr 13, 2023 14:28:43 GMT
The planet's climate is changing and has always changed. The planet has been slowly warming over the last hundred years although there is a current pause on that getting on for a decade long. Coral reefs are recovering apparently and have a greater resilience to change than at first thought. |
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