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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 15:20:52 GMT
I have always been consistent in my assertion that anyone that poses a danger to the UK should not be allowed in or deported when found here. The problem is that the government are mixing genuine asylum seekers with 'unwelcome' immigrants and claiming lefty lawyers and Labour want us to grant asylum to 'criminals'. This is not true and perhaps the most stupid thing I have heard. Why would anyone want to grant access to criminals? If you think of a reason, please share. How do we know they are criminals in the first instance? WE are not granting access to criminals they are all asylum seekers according to you and as such need to be processed, after that we can then remove them assuming that all the legal obstacles placed in the way of doing that are overcome. They rarely are so we end up keeping them, watching them and being subject to any criminal action they undertake. You need to ask the thousands of people that have been deported and then consider why the Tories are deliberately deporting less. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 12, 2023 16:05:23 GMT
You made enough noise in supporting her dead nag. I did not support her, stop with he lies, they are pointless. I believe she should be returned to the country of her birth to stand trial, how is that support? You are the one lying. You supported her and tried to imply she was just an innocent child. Look up your own posts on the subject its no good crying wolf after you have done the deed dead nag. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 12, 2023 16:59:51 GMT
We have been over this a million times. Anyone who pays a people trafficker to get them from safe country 'A' to safe country 'B' is a criminal and should be treated accordingly. They may be 'criminals' in some peoples eyes but they are desperate people fleeing from conflict. Were the Jews that paid people to get them out of Germany also criminals? Don't talk utter bloody crap. The criminals crossing the channel are not fleeing war torn France. Google 'Kutupalong refugee camp', have a look at the images. Those poor sods are genuinely displaced refugees. The slags crossing the channel are criminals. |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 12, 2023 17:19:53 GMT
They're not terrorists, they're poor downtrodden refugees. Ask RedRum. I have always been consistent in my assertion that anyone that poses a danger to the UK should not be allowed in or deported when found here. The problem is that the government are mixing genuine asylum seekers with 'unwelcome' immigrants and claiming lefty lawyers and Labour want us to grant asylum to 'criminals'. This is not true and perhaps the most stupid thing I have heard. Why would anyone want to grant access to criminals? If you think of a reason, please share. I agree with your first line, but they are not allowed if they arrive by lawful means turned around and sent packing, those crossing the Chanel unlawfully or by other unlawful means can be Persecuted for doing so however if they did that for last years alone that would mean 40,000 Court cases. The other reason is they claim Asylum as soon as they get here, or disappear in to the woodwork, there are roughly 100,000 people being assessed to determine who they are where they are from and if they have a valid claim for Asylum or not, those that are refused asylum cannot be sent back to their country of origin if they face being persecuted or even executed even if the criminals or terrorists , others refuse asylum can mount legal challenges against deportation and appeals if deportation is begun All at taxpayers expense, it is difficult enough to deport people who have committed serious criminal offences in the UK on completion of their Prison Sentence , murderers , rapists, drug dealers, etc that is where the left Lawyers and Human Rights Layers appear as the last moment for appeal after appeal after appeal , Starmer was a Human Rights Lawyer, so is Blairs wife . Many people in the UK don't want these thousands of people in our country full stop, they are not welcome they should not be here we have nowhere to put the genuine asylum seekers let alone the riff raff from around the world Time you lived in the real world |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 12, 2023 17:24:54 GMT
How do we know they are criminals in the first instance? WE are not granting access to criminals they are all asylum seekers according to you and as such need to be processed, after that we can then remove them assuming that all the legal obstacles placed in the way of doing that are overcome. They rarely are so we end up keeping them, watching them and being subject to any criminal action they undertake. You need to ask the thousands of people that have been deported and then consider why the Tories are deliberately deporting less. The thousands deported seem to be a small fraction of the arrivals and deportation flights are subject to sudden injunctions. Our object lesson in this respect is Abu Qtada who cost us ten million overall. Can we afford that for each and every potential deportee? |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 12, 2023 17:36:48 GMT
I have always been consistent in my assertion that anyone that poses a danger to the UK should not be allowed in or deported when found here. The problem is that the government are mixing genuine asylum seekers with 'unwelcome' immigrants and claiming lefty lawyers and Labour want us to grant asylum to 'criminals'. This is not true and perhaps the most stupid thing I have heard. Why would anyone want to grant access to criminals? If you think of a reason, please share. We have been over this a million times. Anyone who pays a people trafficker to get them from safe country 'A' to safe country 'B' is a criminal and should be treated accordingly. Yes but we don't they are funding International Criminal Gangs |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 12, 2023 18:50:29 GMT
Most people known full well that undesirables have been getting into the UK by unlawful means for far to long, in the backs of lorries , vans boots of cars, and off course crossing the Channel day in day out , it is now known that last year 19 suspected Terrorists arrived here via the Channel, all of which applied for Asylum , therefore we cannot throw them out until their claim is assessed. Meanwhile we taxpayers are footing their Hotel Bill , FFS time for Sunak and the Government to get tough hold them in custody and fast track them out , and take no nonsense from Starmer and Co Had to change this one as well www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11958145They're not terrorists, they're poor downtrodden refugees. Ask RedRum. I doubt he can somehow pretend he can take the intellectual high on this one somehow. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 6:53:37 GMT
You need to ask the thousands of people that have been deported and then consider why the Tories are deliberately deporting less. The thousands deported seem to be a small fraction of the arrivals and deportation flights are subject to sudden injunctions. Our object lesson in this respect is Abu Qtada who cost us ten million overall. Can we afford that for each and every potential deportee? He arrived in this country in 1993 on a forged passport and should have been deported then. Another cock up by the Conservatives. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 13, 2023 7:21:55 GMT
The thousands deported seem to be a small fraction of the arrivals and deportation flights are subject to sudden injunctions. Our object lesson in this respect is Abu Qtada who cost us ten million overall. Can we afford that for each and every potential deportee? He arrived in this country in 1993 on a forged passport and should have been deported then. Another cock up by the Conservatives. You dont need a passport forged or otherwise to claim asylum - which is what this mush did. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 7:38:13 GMT
He arrived in this country in 1993 on a forged passport and should have been deported then. Another cock up by the Conservatives. You dont need a passport forged or otherwise to claim asylum - which is what this mush did. Forgery is a crime that leads to deportation, why was he not deported then. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 13, 2023 7:39:51 GMT
You dont need a passport forged or otherwise to claim asylum - which is what this mush did. Forgery is a crime that leads to deportation, why was he not deported then. illegal entry is a crime that leads to deportation. I suggest you find out what claiming asylum involves.. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 13, 2023 9:40:34 GMT
You dont need a passport forged or otherwise to claim asylum - which is what this mush did. Forgery is a crime that leads to deportation, why was he not deported then. Not if he claims asylum and his human rights not to be deported to country where there was a risk he may be tortured. Our hands were tied apparently and it was the whole human rights situation that cost us dear. It enabled the 'get to the UK and you will probably never be forced to leave' brigade that will see the end of the UK as some sort of cohesive country which is happening before our very eyes. |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 14, 2023 9:13:54 GMT
He arrived in this country in 1993 on a forged passport and should have been deported then. Another cock up by the Conservatives. You dont need a passport forged or otherwise to claim asylum - which is what this mush did. Exactly at least he had a forged passport , most claimants have no paperwork at all either never had any from their own country, taken off them by the smugglers , or they destroyed them which means it takes longer to try and identify who they are and from where |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 14, 2023 9:52:59 GMT
Forgery is a crime that leads to deportation, why was he not deported then. Not if he claims asylum and his human rights not to be deported to country where there was a risk he may be tortured. Our hands were tied apparently and it was the whole human rights situation that cost us dear. It enabled the 'get to the UK and you will probably never be forced to leave' brigade that will see the end of the UK as some sort of cohesive country which is happening before our very eyes. Exactly , my country England is no more thanks to the Tories taking us in the EU , then Labour under Blair opening the flood gates for economic migrants from Asia, and now the endless stream of Alleged Asylum Seekers |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 14, 2023 10:02:36 GMT
How do we know they are criminals in the first instance? WE are not granting access to criminals they are all asylum seekers according to you and as such need to be processed, after that we can then remove them assuming that all the legal obstacles placed in the way of doing that are overcome. They rarely are so we end up keeping them, watching them and being subject to any criminal action they undertake. You need to ask the thousands of people that have been deported and then consider why the Tories are deliberately deporting less. From 2010 to 2021 only roughly 15.000 have been deported from the UK , some left voluntary overstayers , the Government Border Force , Passport Control Home Office have to adhere to UK Legislation including International Law, Human Rights Act, on each and every occasion, |
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