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Post by piglet on Apr 11, 2023 13:50:29 GMT
Imagine being Captain Kirk materialising onto an alien planet. The problem is, he has no memory of the Enterprise or of being transported, he just is. He knows nothing of the world around him, and worse than that, hes a baby and vulnerable to everything around him. He has been programmed by his genes.
He is dependant on those around him. He has to make sense of everything and quickly, there is no time to stop and think about what the fuck is this? He has to learn to look after himself and conform to make a living.
Why got lost a long time ago, if it became an issue at all. Nobody thinks along those lines, even at your advanced age.
My theory is that the Universe is infinite meaning we are, and were just passing time so we dont go ga ga.
Even Cambridge United will win the european cup somewhere along the line.
Whats the point of anything? Everything is reset,no matter what. If you think there is no god, what else is there, or reason for existence? there must be a machine making planets sonewhere, and a baker making people.
So why?
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Post by Einhorn on Apr 11, 2023 15:43:43 GMT
Whats the point of anything? Everything is reset,no matter what. If you think there is no god, what else is there, or reason for existence? there must be a machine making planets sonewhere, and a baker making people. So why? Then, anyone who accepts your position has to accept there is a baker making a God somewhere. If something has to be self-creating, why should that self-creating thing be God? Why can't the universe be self-creating? Why does the universe need God, who was obviously self-creating, to create it? Philosophy has been asking theology this question a long time. Theology doesn't have a logical answer. Captain Kirk must ask himself: has some invisible ghost-like entity that I cannot see always existed, or has this universe, which I can see, always existed? There is no logical reason to arrive at the answer that the invisible ghost-like entity we call God always existed. It is more rational to assume that the universe (or whatever constituted the universe before it took its current form) always existed. |
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Post by piglet on Apr 12, 2023 11:43:55 GMT
I hear what your saying, im not insisting on a god, but trying to fathom what you, or anybodies concept of creation could be, and my point is that no one has really thought about it apart from trying to explain it through a god.
Is it beyond us? If we take god out, whats left is physical mass, electrons etc. Is that all there is? And if so, how does that make you feel? What possible machinery is there that can create pointless stuff?, and if this is so, then life is truly meaningless.
If it isnt meaningless, where is home, our destination? Will it be a five bedroomed, jacuuzid, movie roomed, swimming pooled paradise, where you dont have to pay to watch football on tv.
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Post by Einhorn on Apr 12, 2023 11:58:30 GMT
I hear what your saying, im not insisting on a god, but trying to fathom what you, or anybodies concept of creation could be, and my point is that no one has really thought about it apart from trying to explain it through a god. Is it beyond us? If we take god out, whats left is physical mass, electrons etc. Is that all there is? And if so, how does that make you feel? What possible machinery is there that can create pointless stuff?, and if this is so, then life is truly meaningless. If it isnt meaningless, where is home, our destination? Will it be a five bedroomed, jacuuzid, movie roomed, swimming pooled paradise, where you dont have to pay to watch football on tv. We cannot know these things. We are eternally locked out from this kind of knowledge. At least, this has been the view since Kant published his Critique of Pure Reason. Kant's 'discovery' is very complicated, and far outside my ability to explain (if, indeed, I fully understand it myself). There are plenty of Youtube videos which make an attempt to do so, however. In short, the answer to your question Is it beyond us? is yes (because of the structure of the human mind). |
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Post by Einhorn on Apr 12, 2023 12:06:48 GMT
I Is it beyond us? If we take god out, whats left is physical mass, electrons etc. Is that all there is? And if so, how does that make you feel? Free. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 12, 2023 12:10:56 GMT
The odd thing about meaning is you don't seem to be able to construct it out of anything.
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Post by wapentake on Apr 12, 2023 12:13:48 GMT
Imagine being Captain Kirk materialising onto an alien planet. The problem is, he has no memory of the Enterprise or of being transported, he just is. He knows nothing of the world around him, and worse than that, hes a baby and vulnerable to everything around him. He has been programmed by his genes. He is dependant on those around him. He has to make sense of everything and quickly, there is no time to stop and think about what the fuck is this? He has to learn to look after himself and conform to make a living. Why got lost a long time ago, if it became an issue at all. Nobody thinks along those lines, even at your advanced age. My theory is that the Universe is infinite meaning we are, and were just passing time so we dont go ga ga. Even Cambridge United will win the european cup somewhere along the line. Whats the point of anything? Everything is reset,no matter what. If you think there is no god, what else is there, or reason for existence? there must be a machine making planets sonewhere, and a baker making people. So why? I can go along with the rest of your post but now you’re being ridiculous.  |
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Post by piglet on Apr 14, 2023 16:25:59 GMT
If a thing can happen it will eventually. Even that. If the universe is infinite, everything is meaningless, its the same thing over and over. Paradoxically to give things meaning death is useful, or an ending and a new begginning. Does god have a god, and he going into infinity? Is it all a circle, a snake eating its own tail.
That to set off on a journey to find god we would end up where we started? Science can relate everything to everyday life, that the symbol for god etc is plain to see on earth, and if there is one what is it? I think its the Rupert Bear videos on you tube, i watch them occasionally to remind me of better times, that all is possible no one really gets hurt, and all ends well.
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Post by Orac on Apr 14, 2023 16:36:14 GMT
Temporal economics.
If the scarcity of time is zero, it's value is zero.
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