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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 10, 2023 7:51:04 GMT
Ahh, that rather depends what colour skin you have. My son a bright boy who stayed on at school and went to college, applied to join the police. He was told that all places for white entrants had been taken and was invited to reapply in two years time. Because he had white skin he didn't even get an interview. This we are told is not racism, it's diversity, and as we all know it's racist to question diversity. We whites are now the underclass in our own country mate. Indeed, white English or IC1 may be the largest demographic in the UK, but thanks to modern trends they also have no voice. Which is pretty dangerous. |
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Post by happyjack on Apr 10, 2023 11:31:47 GMT
If they had no voice then we would not be living in a Tory governed non-EU country.
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Post by Ripley on Apr 10, 2023 14:57:01 GMT
If, as Red's tag line says, it's not racist to be concerned about immigration, is it racist to be concerned about equal employment opportunities? My son a bright boy who stayed on at school and went to college, applied to join the police. He was told that all places for white entrants had been taken and was invited to reapply in two years time. Because he had white skin he didn't even get an interview. This we are told is not racism, it's diversity, and as we all know it's racist to question diversity. What year was that? Are you saying that if you're white, it's not racist to be concerned about employment opportunities, but if you're non-white, it is? |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 10, 2023 18:09:50 GMT
Shame on the SNP using make believe to fill their own pockets.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 12, 2023 11:18:51 GMT
Ahh, that rather depends what colour skin you have. My son a bright boy who stayed on at school and went to college, applied to join the police. He was told that all places for white entrants had been taken and was invited to reapply in two years time. Because he had white skin he didn't even get an interview. This we are told is not racism, it's diversity, and as we all know it's racist to question diversity. What year was that? Are you saying that if you're white, it's not racist to be concerned about employment opportunities, but if you're non-white, it is? My son applied to join the police when he was... 22 or 23, that would be 8 or 9 years ago. What I'm saying is: It's OK to tell a white man he cant join the police because he has white skin. This is apparently called diversity. However, if the boot were on the other foot, if a black man was told all places for black entrants had been taken and he was invited to reapply in two years time (yes I know it would never happen but can you imagine what would happen if it did?) Questions would be asked in the House of Commons, Labour would demand the racist chief constable was sacked, it would be front page news for a week, compensation would run into six figures, BLM would be rioting and the inevitable inquiry would cost £20 million. In 21st century UK racism is not only alive and thriving, it is positively encouraged under the guise of 'diversity'. |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 12, 2023 15:18:43 GMT
What year was that? Are you saying that if you're white, it's not racist to be concerned about employment opportunities, but if you're non-white, it is? My son applied to join the police when he was... 22 or 23, that would be 8 or 9 years ago. What I'm saying is: It's OK to tell a white man he cant join the police because he has white skin. This is apparently called diversity. However, if the boot were on the other foot, if a black man was told all places for black entrants had been taken and he was invited to reapply in two years time (yes I know it would never happen but can you imagine what would happen if it did?) Questions would be asked in the House of Commons, Labour would demand the racist chief constable was sacked, it would be front page news for a week, compensation would run into six figures, BLM would be rioting and the inevitable inquiry would cost £20 million. In 21st century UK racism is not only alive and thriving, it is positively encouraged under the guise of 'diversity'. Police employment numbers began dropping in 2010. They hit a low point in 2017 and then picked up again in 2019. I don't see an explanation for this. Figure 3.1 shows the long-term trend in the police workforce numbers, broken down by worker type. Workforce numbers had been increasing to 2010, then decreased in each year before reaching a low-point in 2017. In the last four years the previous downward trend has reversed. Figure 3.1: Police workforce, by worker type, as at 31 March 2003 to 31 March 2021, England and Wales1 www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-31-march-2021/police-workforce-england-and-wales-31-march-2021On the next link, there's a table showing that when whites were occupying 93.1% of police jobs, they were 86% of the population. BAME accounted for 14% of the population, but had only 6.9% of police jobs. Asians had 2.9% of police jobs, but were 6.8% of the population. Blacks had 1.2% of police jobs, but were 3.3% of the population. Summary of Police workforce By ethnicity (police officers)Summary This data shows that: • at the end of March 2019, 93.1% of police officers were from the White ethnic group • 2.9% of police officers were Asian, 2.1% had Mixed ethnicity, 1.2% were Black and 0.7% were from the Other ethnic group www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/workforce-and-business/workforce-diversity/police-workforce/latest#:~:text=Summary%20of%20Police%20workforce%20By,from%20the%20Other%20ethnic%20group Now, let’s look at the Census information. Between the 2011 and 2021 Census, the white population fell from 86% to 81.7% . But in 2021, whites occupied 92.4% of police jobs. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/ethnicity/bulletins/ethnicgroupenglandandwales/census2021So it's clear that BAME minorities are not taking as many police jobs as would be commensurate with their portion of the population. The white population, on the other hand, is over-represented in police jobs. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 12, 2023 16:31:07 GMT
My son applied to join the police when he was... 22 or 23, that would be 8 or 9 years ago. What I'm saying is: It's OK to tell a white man he cant join the police because he has white skin. This is apparently called diversity. However, if the boot were on the other foot, if a black man was told all places for black entrants had been taken and he was invited to reapply in two years time (yes I know it would never happen but can you imagine what would happen if it did?) Questions would be asked in the House of Commons, Labour would demand the racist chief constable was sacked, it would be front page news for a week, compensation would run into six figures, BLM would be rioting and the inevitable inquiry would cost £20 million. In 21st century UK racism is not only alive and thriving, it is positively encouraged under the guise of 'diversity'. Police employment numbers began dropping in 2010. They hit a low point in 2017 and then picked up again in 2019. I don't see an explanation for this. Figure 3.1 shows the long-term trend in the police workforce numbers, broken down by worker type. Workforce numbers had been increasing to 2010, then decreased in each year before reaching a low-point in 2017. In the last four years the previous downward trend has reversed. Figure 3.1: Police workforce, by worker type, as at 31 March 2003 to 31 March 2021, England and Wales1 www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-31-march-2021/police-workforce-england-and-wales-31-march-2021On the next link, there's a table showing that when whites were occupying 93.1% of police jobs, they were 86% of the population. BAME accounted for 14% of the population, but had only 6.9% of police jobs. Asians had 2.9% of police jobs, but were 6.8% of the population. Blacks had 1.2% of police jobs, but were 3.3% of the population. Summary of Police workforce By ethnicity (police officers)Summary This data shows that: • at the end of March 2019, 93.1% of police officers were from the White ethnic group • 2.9% of police officers were Asian, 2.1% had Mixed ethnicity, 1.2% were Black and 0.7% were from the Other ethnic group www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/workforce-and-business/workforce-diversity/police-workforce/latest#:~:text=Summary%20of%20Police%20workforce%20By,from%20the%20Other%20ethnic%20group Now, let’s look at the Census information. Between the 2011 and 2021 Census, the white population fell from 86% to 81.7% . But in 2021, whites occupied 92.4% of police jobs. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/ethnicity/bulletins/ethnicgroupenglandandwales/census2021So it's clear that BAME minorities are not taking as many police jobs as would be commensurate with their portion of the population. The white population, on the other hand, is over-represented in police jobs.
Yes and there are other areas where Blacks and Asians are overrepresented in relation to their proportion of the population. So what is more important - ticking boxes or having the best people in the job? |
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Post by om15 on Apr 12, 2023 16:42:51 GMT
Is that because they do not have a sense of duty towards British society? Or do they find drug dealing more lucrative and fulfilling.
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Post by Ripley on Apr 12, 2023 16:48:50 GMT
Police employment numbers began dropping in 2010. They hit a low point in 2017 and then picked up again in 2019. I don't see an explanation for this. Figure 3.1 shows the long-term trend in the police workforce numbers, broken down by worker type. Workforce numbers had been increasing to 2010, then decreased in each year before reaching a low-point in 2017. In the last four years the previous downward trend has reversed. Figure 3.1: Police workforce, by worker type, as at 31 March 2003 to 31 March 2021, England and Wales1 www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-31-march-2021/police-workforce-england-and-wales-31-march-2021On the next link, there's a table showing that when whites were occupying 93.1% of police jobs, they were 86% of the population. BAME accounted for 14% of the population, but had only 6.9% of police jobs. Asians had 2.9% of police jobs, but were 6.8% of the population. Blacks had 1.2% of police jobs, but were 3.3% of the population. Summary of Police workforce By ethnicity (police officers)Summary This data shows that: • at the end of March 2019, 93.1% of police officers were from the White ethnic group • 2.9% of police officers were Asian, 2.1% had Mixed ethnicity, 1.2% were Black and 0.7% were from the Other ethnic group www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/workforce-and-business/workforce-diversity/police-workforce/latest#:~:text=Summary%20of%20Police%20workforce%20By,from%20the%20Other%20ethnic%20group Now, let’s look at the Census information. Between the 2011 and 2021 Census, the white population fell from 86% to 81.7% . But in 2021, whites occupied 92.4% of police jobs. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/ethnicity/bulletins/ethnicgroupenglandandwales/census2021So it's clear that BAME minorities are not taking as many police jobs as would be commensurate with their portion of the population. The white population, on the other hand, is over-represented in police jobs.
Yes and there are other areas where Blacks and Asians are overrepresented in relation to their proportion of the population. So what is more important - ticking boxes or having the best people in the job? Red and I are discussing police jobs, not employment in general. Part of the reason that his son was turned away eight or nine years ago may simply be that overall hiring numbers declined in 2010 and continued to decline until 2019. If they were turning away applicants during these years, that would suggest they didn't want to address these declining numbers at that time. The government offers no explanation for this. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 12, 2023 16:51:02 GMT
My son applied to join the police when he was... 22 or 23, that would be 8 or 9 years ago. What I'm saying is: It's OK to tell a white man he cant join the police because he has white skin. This is apparently called diversity. However, if the boot were on the other foot, if a black man was told all places for black entrants had been taken and he was invited to reapply in two years time (yes I know it would never happen but can you imagine what would happen if it did?) Questions would be asked in the House of Commons, Labour would demand the racist chief constable was sacked, it would be front page news for a week, compensation would run into six figures, BLM would be rioting and the inevitable inquiry would cost £20 million. In 21st century UK racism is not only alive and thriving, it is positively encouraged under the guise of 'diversity'. Police employment numbers began dropping in 2010. They hit a low point in 2017 and then picked up again in 2019. I don't see an explanation for this. Figure 3.1 shows the long-term trend in the police workforce numbers, broken down by worker type. Workforce numbers had been increasing to 2010, then decreased in each year before reaching a low-point in 2017. In the last four years the previous downward trend has reversed. Figure 3.1: Police workforce, by worker type, as at 31 March 2003 to 31 March 2021, England and Wales1 www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-31-march-2021/police-workforce-england-and-wales-31-march-2021On the next link, there's a table showing that when whites were occupying 93.1% of police jobs, they were 86% of the population. BAME accounted for 14% of the population, but had only 6.9% of police jobs. Asians had 2.9% of police jobs, but were 6.8% of the population. Blacks had 1.2% of police jobs, but were 3.3% of the population. Summary of Police workforce By ethnicity (police officers)Summary This data shows that: • at the end of March 2019, 93.1% of police officers were from the White ethnic group • 2.9% of police officers were Asian, 2.1% had Mixed ethnicity, 1.2% were Black and 0.7% were from the Other ethnic group www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/workforce-and-business/workforce-diversity/police-workforce/latest#:~:text=Summary%20of%20Police%20workforce%20By,from%20the%20Other%20ethnic%20group Now, let’s look at the Census information. Between the 2011 and 2021 Census, the white population fell from 86% to 81.7% . But in 2021, whites occupied 92.4% of police jobs. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/ethnicity/bulletins/ethnicgroupenglandandwales/census2021So it's clear that BAME minorities are not taking as many police jobs as would be commensurate with their portion of the population. The white population, on the other hand, is over-represented in police jobs. So in your opinion, in order to hit diversity quotas an applicants suitability should be based on ethnicity and/or skin colour, not ability. Well done you. You have well and truly nailed your woke colours to the mast. You must feel very proud, and dare I say, virtuous. |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 12, 2023 16:55:22 GMT
Police employment numbers began dropping in 2010. They hit a low point in 2017 and then picked up again in 2019. I don't see an explanation for this. Figure 3.1 shows the long-term trend in the police workforce numbers, broken down by worker type. Workforce numbers had been increasing to 2010, then decreased in each year before reaching a low-point in 2017. In the last four years the previous downward trend has reversed. Figure 3.1: Police workforce, by worker type, as at 31 March 2003 to 31 March 2021, England and Wales1 www.gov.uk/government/statistics/police-workforce-england-and-wales-31-march-2021/police-workforce-england-and-wales-31-march-2021On the next link, there's a table showing that when whites were occupying 93.1% of police jobs, they were 86% of the population. BAME accounted for 14% of the population, but had only 6.9% of police jobs. Asians had 2.9% of police jobs, but were 6.8% of the population. Blacks had 1.2% of police jobs, but were 3.3% of the population. Summary of Police workforce By ethnicity (police officers)Summary This data shows that: • at the end of March 2019, 93.1% of police officers were from the White ethnic group • 2.9% of police officers were Asian, 2.1% had Mixed ethnicity, 1.2% were Black and 0.7% were from the Other ethnic group www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/workforce-and-business/workforce-diversity/police-workforce/latest#:~:text=Summary%20of%20Police%20workforce%20By,from%20the%20Other%20ethnic%20group Now, let’s look at the Census information. Between the 2011 and 2021 Census, the white population fell from 86% to 81.7% . But in 2021, whites occupied 92.4% of police jobs. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/ethnicity/bulletins/ethnicgroupenglandandwales/census2021So it's clear that BAME minorities are not taking as many police jobs as would be commensurate with their portion of the population. The white population, on the other hand, is over-represented in police jobs. So in your opinion, in order to hit diversity quotas an applicants suitability should be based on ethnicity and/or skin colour, not ability. Well done you. You have well and truly nailed your woke colours to the mast. You must feel very proud, and dare I say, virtuous. I don't actually think that ethnicity or skin color should decide who gets a job. I do think that everyone who wants to work should have employment opportunities, regardless of their race or colour. Do you think that the white population should have all of the jobs when they only represent 81.7% of the population? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 12, 2023 17:04:01 GMT
I don't actually think that ethnicity or skin color should decide who gets a job. I do think that everyone who wants to work should have employment opportunities, regardless of their race or colour. Do you think that the white population should have all of the jobs when they only represent 81.7% of the population? I think the best applicant should get the job regardless of skin colour however, as my son's experience clearly shows, skin colour trumps ability. Whether you like it or not, diversity is a race to the bottom. |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 12, 2023 17:10:42 GMT
I don't actually think that ethnicity or skin color should decide who gets a job. I do think that everyone who wants to work should have employment opportunities, regardless of their race or colour. Do you think that the white population should have all of the jobs when they only represent 81.7% of the population? I think the best applicant should get the job regardless of skin colour however, as my son's experience clearly shows, skin colour trumps ability. Whether you like it or not, diversity is a race to the bottom. As I mentioned up the page, part of the reason that your son was turned away eight or nine years ago may simply be that overall police hiring numbers declined in 2010 and continued to decline until 2019, hitting the lowest point in 2017 as you can see on the source I linked. If they were turning away applicants during these years, that would suggest that the hiring numbers were not declining because people weren't applying, but that the powers that be didn't want to hire more. Perhaps the hiring freeze was deliberate. Clearly, they didn't want to address these declining numbers at that time. The government offers no explanation for this. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 12, 2023 17:15:13 GMT
I think the best applicant should get the job regardless of skin colour however, as my son's experience clearly shows, skin colour trumps ability. Whether you like it or not, diversity is a race to the bottom. As I mentioned up the page, part of the reason that your son was turned away eight or nine years ago may simply be that overall police hiring numbers declined in 2010 and continued to decline until 2019, hitting the lowest point in 2017 as you can see on the source I linked. If they were turning away applicants during these years, that would suggest that the hiring numbers were not declining because people weren't applying, but that the powers that be didn't want to hire more. Perhaps the hiring freeze was deliberate. Clearly, they didn't want to address these declining numbers at that time. The government offers no explanation for this. He was turned away because he had white skin. FFS he was told that all places for white entrants had been taken. Do you think there is any circumstance in which the police would refuse a young black man an interview because all places for black entrants had been taken? Diversity = racism, and you're struggling to justify it. |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 12, 2023 17:31:23 GMT
As I mentioned up the page, part of the reason that your son was turned away eight or nine years ago may simply be that overall police hiring numbers declined in 2010 and continued to decline until 2019, hitting the lowest point in 2017 as you can see on the source I linked. If they were turning away applicants during these years, that would suggest that the hiring numbers were not declining because people weren't applying, but that the powers that be didn't want to hire more. Perhaps the hiring freeze was deliberate. Clearly, they didn't want to address these declining numbers at that time. The government offers no explanation for this. He was turned away because he had white skin. FFS he was told that all places for white entrants had been taken. Do you think there is any circumstance in which the police would refuse a young black man an interview because all places for black entrants had been taken? Diversity = racism, and you're struggling to justify it. That's what they told him, but they may not have mentioned that the police force was hiring 1674 fewer applicants in 2014 as well. Yes, I absolutely do think that if all places for blacks - or any of their other quotas - had been taken, they'd have turned away the applicants they couldn't place. But the theory will remain untested until the BAME population manages to occupy a representative number of police jobs, which hasn't happened yet. |
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