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Post by sandypine on Apr 7, 2023 19:52:13 GMT
The present government's immigration policy is exactly what was promised during the Vote Leave campaign - a 'level playing field' open to anyone from anywhere in the world. We can't say we weren't told what would happen. But strictly controlled, which was the very essence of Tory policies as clearly stated, I remember tens of thousands. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Apr 8, 2023 7:37:41 GMT
Again, as a great man once said, 'numbers are of the essence'. Leaving aside the troublesome nature of some immigrants for the moment, whether legal or illegal, it's certainly true that it's the numbers which create the most direct effect on infrastructure such as housing and public services generally. That being the case legal migration is, as noted above, at least an order of magnitude more problematic than illegal especially in terms of demand for housing (and of course much other infrastructure and resources generally). The government's own figures demonstrate the truth of this. In the year ending 31.12.22 legal immigration for work, study or family purposes amounted to 1,193,000. In addition almost 374,000 claims for protection were granted from asylum seekers, Afghans seeking resettlement, Ukrainians and Hong Kong residents. This brings legal immigration for 2022 to over 1.5 million. Illegal migration is not as easy to calculate, but if we assume that the 89,000 claims for asylum in 2022 are all 'illegal' then it is clear that legal >> illegal (by an order of magnitude or more). I'd forgotten the 2022 immigration figures - which I hope were an anomaly. I was being a bit pedantic about the meaning if "order of magnitude" (as 10 times) and the general level of legal migration has been more like 350,000 until 2022. But if legal migration was 1.5 million and we accept the govt's figures on illegal immigration at below 100k then it qualifies as an order of magnitude. In any case, with regard to housing, the level of either illegal or legal migration individually are high enough to cause problems in housing and public services etc. Yet the left never mention it because it's "racist". |
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 8, 2023 8:35:42 GMT
The present government's immigration policy is exactly what was promised during the Vote Leave campaign - a 'level playing field' open to anyone from anywhere in the world. We can't say we weren't told what would happen. But strictly controlled, which was the very essence of Tory policies as clearly stated, I remember tens of thousands. Strict control of a deliberately lax policy isn't really very helpful. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 8, 2023 9:01:45 GMT
But strictly controlled, which was the very essence of Tory policies as clearly stated, I remember tens of thousands. Strict control of a deliberately lax policy isn't really very helpful. But it was never put to the electorate as being lax, it was always put as bringing the numbers down. In the EU no control was possible, out of teh EU control is possible, and as far as the electorate are concerned, and as they were informed for the last dozen years or so, was to be strictly down to tens of thousands. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 15:16:06 GMT
Illegal's are insignificant when you compare them to the 6 million EU nationals that flooded in. Are they? How can you tell how insignificant they are when no-one knows how many "illegals" there are in the country. I don't think there is a register? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Apr 11, 2023 6:04:19 GMT
Good point. I remember we used to think that there were about 3 million EU nationals in the country - until after Brexit nearly 6 million applied for settled status.
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 11, 2023 11:40:06 GMT
Illegal's are insignificant when you compare them to the 6 million EU nationals that flooded in. how do you know that ? You have no idea how many have invaded us. |
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Post by bancroft on Apr 11, 2023 13:43:53 GMT
This is going to become a major issue I feel, they are trying through redevelopment of shopping areas to build loads of new tower blocks in the suburbs of outer London.
They push the better 'shopping environment' and state some housing will go to the lower income group yet always a bit murky in terms of numbers.
In our area they fought back saying they did not see the need for 16 tower blocks in an area that already has very busy traffic and the new shopping experience was not seen as necessary.
They won round 1, though likely to come back again in some way or another.
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