Post by buccaneer on Apr 6, 2023 0:18:53 GMT
Just reading an interesting article from columnist Julie Burchill in Spiked.
Personally, I can relate with the gist of the article in that the traditional working class in Britain never saw colour in one's skin as a social divider that it currently is today. I realise however, that others will point back in time to demonstrate the
opposite. I grew up on my estate with a few black kids (mostly of Jamaican/Irish/English) decent, and later on with the same kind of kids across the wider town. I know from my own personal experience with hand on heart race was never an issue
between us as we grew up: playing knock down ginger, football, run-outs, and climbing trees and building camps in the woods together, smoking ciggies and all the usual boisterous things young males would get up to. One of my long-standing
friends who I have lost touch with was born in the same-ward as me at the same time I was. My Mum and his Mum became good friends as we lived just around the corner from them on the same estate.
Anyway, upon read Burchill's article, certain sections of her column resonated with me personally:
I think that bolded part is spot on as our very own "white-privileged liberal left" have certainly used race to drive a wedge between all types of 'working class' people.
I didn't know who Mina Smallman was, but after reading the article about her here it is warming to see that a black woman who could easily be tempted to fall into the race trap of victimhood, stood up for all people on the wrong side of police
injustice:
The next excerpt correlates my own personal experience:
It does seem that the materialistic, virtue-signalling, white bourgeois, with the aid of a useful tool and strategy using academia have leeched to a cause on behalf of black people and ethnic minorities to not only make themselves feel all warm and
fuzzy, but to brow-beat those down the social scale on race relations and make them feel like a superior citizen in the process. The main issue with this is, the bourgeois never mixed and mingled with black kids on council estates when they grew
up. They are cultural interlopers telling those from their own experiences how they are better educated and virtuous in dealing with race relations - race relations today that have only divided society more in recent decades.
Burchill takes a quote from Michael Collins' book The Likes of Us; he wrote:
Something far removed from the "white-privileged liberal left's" experience.
www.spiked-online.com/2023/04/02/the-british-working-class-is-what-real-anti-racism-looks-like/
So, my questions are:
a) White or black what was your own experience of race relations when you grew up? Positive, negative etc.
b) How do they compare today? Are they better relations or have they deteriorated?
In my own view they have deteriorated (I know this isn't a universal view), and I blame the "white-privileged liberal left" for this deterioration.
c) Who do you blame from either past to present for the deterioration in race relations? Maybe you don't believe race relations have deteriorated, and that tokenistic shoehorning of a black person into every advert on TV is not patronising and
possibly breeding resentment, but a sign of social progression.
d) Do you think racism will quell socially or intuitionally with the kind of white self-flagellation, and "victimhood Olympics" our "white-privileged liberal elites" have engineered in recent decades, or is it more likely to divide people?
Personally, I can relate with the gist of the article in that the traditional working class in Britain never saw colour in one's skin as a social divider that it currently is today. I realise however, that others will point back in time to demonstrate the
opposite. I grew up on my estate with a few black kids (mostly of Jamaican/Irish/English) decent, and later on with the same kind of kids across the wider town. I know from my own personal experience with hand on heart race was never an issue
between us as we grew up: playing knock down ginger, football, run-outs, and climbing trees and building camps in the woods together, smoking ciggies and all the usual boisterous things young males would get up to. One of my long-standing
friends who I have lost touch with was born in the same-ward as me at the same time I was. My Mum and his Mum became good friends as we lived just around the corner from them on the same estate.
Anyway, upon read Burchill's article, certain sections of her column resonated with me personally:
One of the most poisonous projects of the past decade has been the ID-pol brigade’s attempt to drive a wedge between the races, rather than stick to a sensible Marxist class analysis of power. So it was refreshing to
hear Smallman rejecting every invitation she was given to speak in a racially divisive manner.
hear Smallman rejecting every invitation she was given to speak in a racially divisive manner.
I didn't know who Mina Smallman was, but after reading the article about her here it is warming to see that a black woman who could easily be tempted to fall into the race trap of victimhood, stood up for all people on the wrong side of police
injustice:
First, Smallman willingly gave up her special victim status by boldly stating that the white working class also suffers from police brutality. She brought up grooming gangs as the prime example of this. Smallman rightly pointed out that the
police demonised the raped and trafficked white children involved, rather than take on their Muslim exploiters.
Louise Casey attempted a bout of self-flagellation, saying that she couldn’t speak about the pain suffered by the black community because she was white. Smallman, however, reminded her that women of all races suffer harshly at the
hands of the police, so it wasn’t too much of a leap for Casey to imagine. Smallman’s last statement reflected this remarkable woman’s open-heartedness. Her fight for justice, she said, ‘started with my girls and now… I’m fighting for all
women and all girls’.
It was quite a shock to hear this kind of generosity in an age when everyone appears to be jostling for pole position in the Victimhood Olympics. And Lord knows that Smallman has more reason to feel sorry for herself than most.
police demonised the raped and trafficked white children involved, rather than take on their Muslim exploiters.
Louise Casey attempted a bout of self-flagellation, saying that she couldn’t speak about the pain suffered by the black community because she was white. Smallman, however, reminded her that women of all races suffer harshly at the
hands of the police, so it wasn’t too much of a leap for Casey to imagine. Smallman’s last statement reflected this remarkable woman’s open-heartedness. Her fight for justice, she said, ‘started with my girls and now… I’m fighting for all
women and all girls’.
It was quite a shock to hear this kind of generosity in an age when everyone appears to be jostling for pole position in the Victimhood Olympics. And Lord knows that Smallman has more reason to feel sorry for herself than most.
The next excerpt correlates my own personal experience:
Culturally, black Britons have much more in common with their white neighbours than is ever acknowledged. It’s hard to swallow the bourgeois belief that the further one goes down the social scale, the more racist people are.
How to explain, then, that at the end of every single reality or talent show, multihued families embrace; usually, a young man of colour will be surrounded by a crying, congratulatory mob of little white ladies, generally his mother and
aunties.
How to explain, then, that at the end of every single reality or talent show, multihued families embrace; usually, a young man of colour will be surrounded by a crying, congratulatory mob of little white ladies, generally his mother and
aunties.
fuzzy, but to brow-beat those down the social scale on race relations and make them feel like a superior citizen in the process. The main issue with this is, the bourgeois never mixed and mingled with black kids on council estates when they grew
up. They are cultural interlopers telling those from their own experiences how they are better educated and virtuous in dealing with race relations - race relations today that have only divided society more in recent decades.
Burchill takes a quote from Michael Collins' book The Likes of Us; he wrote:
The modern-day white working class had a more varied, more honest, more intimate experience, having known non-whites as lovers, muggers, husbands, killers, wives, victims, neighbours, rapists, friends, foes, attackers, carers.
For decades, the urban, white working class had largely been educated in multiracial schools, worked in multiracial environments and lived in multiracial neighbourhoods.’
For decades, the urban, white working class had largely been educated in multiracial schools, worked in multiracial environments and lived in multiracial neighbourhoods.’
www.spiked-online.com/2023/04/02/the-british-working-class-is-what-real-anti-racism-looks-like/
So, my questions are:
a) White or black what was your own experience of race relations when you grew up? Positive, negative etc.
b) How do they compare today? Are they better relations or have they deteriorated?
In my own view they have deteriorated (I know this isn't a universal view), and I blame the "white-privileged liberal left" for this deterioration.
c) Who do you blame from either past to present for the deterioration in race relations? Maybe you don't believe race relations have deteriorated, and that tokenistic shoehorning of a black person into every advert on TV is not patronising and
possibly breeding resentment, but a sign of social progression.
d) Do you think racism will quell socially or intuitionally with the kind of white self-flagellation, and "victimhood Olympics" our "white-privileged liberal elites" have engineered in recent decades, or is it more likely to divide people?
