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Post by Vinny on Oct 31, 2022 15:11:07 GMT
Agreed.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 31, 2022 15:33:22 GMT
Many moons ago when common sense was rife throughout the country, a policeman's first duty was to prevent crime. Perhaps if we went back to that, we'd all benefit. I agree they have gone Woke over the last 20 odd years gone soft they are wrong no matter they do in the eyes of some including Politicians to the left of the political spectrum Political Correctness started under Blair and Blair, PM Blair and the Commissioner Blair that is when the Met's name was changed to Met Police Service, not Force. turned them into Social Workers The oath they make when they join the Police is a bit more than that I (name) ...of (police force)... do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the King in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law. They can only prevent crime if they know where and when a crime is going to happen, as far as I am aware they have not been issued with Crystall Ball yet. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 31, 2022 16:27:52 GMT
But if you want to see crime prevented you have to recognise that the biggest preventers of criminals committing crime are not the police but the general public. And that doesn't work if significant sections of the public feel disconnected from the police.
So have they gone Woke over the last 20 years or are the police just being seen making sure they have 'connection' to all areas?
Also 20 years ago the police were under much less surveillance, nowadays with CCTVs and smart phones any misactions they commit are far more likely to be seen. To me that's a good thing but does mean they have to spend far more care to not being oppressive to the long haired, the young in general, gay people, ethic minorities, ethnic religions etc etd.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 17:04:24 GMT
If the Met went in hard and manhandled these protesters dragged them off the roads and slung them into vans some of them elderly causing injuries, would you approve? I think not Let me think about that for a second. Oh yes, every bit of it. Changing government should be through the ballot box, not through terrorist activity. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 31, 2022 17:21:03 GMT
If the Met went in hard and manhandled these protesters dragged them off the roads and slung them into vans some of them elderly causing injuries, would you approve? I think not Let me think about that for a second. Oh yes, every bit of it. Changing government should be through the ballot box, not through terrorist activity. Read Handyman's post again What you advocate would not just be illegal it would be the fast route to getting massive public support for these self serving idiots. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 31, 2022 17:53:41 GMT
But if you want to see crime prevented you have to recognise that the biggest preventers of criminals committing crime are not the police but the general public. And that doesn't work if significant sections of the public feel disconnected from the police. So have they gone Woke over the last 20 years or are the police just being seen making sure they have 'connection' to all areas? Also 20 years ago the police were under much less surveillance, nowadays with CCTVs and smart phones any misactions they commit are far more likely to be seen. To me that's a good thing but does mean they have to spend far more care to not being oppressive to the long haired, the young in general, gay people, ethic minorities, ethnic religions etc etd. Yes the Public are better at preventing crime because there is more of us out there 24/7, as for Woke the Met Police were undergoing diversity training more than 20 years ago, not just recently, CCTV coverage has been used on our highstreets for a long time. Yes the Police are filmed by members of the public daily when they carry out stop and search or whatever, Police Bodycams are a great idea it not only films how the person they are dealing with is behaving, but it also picks up what the Police of is saying especially if there is more than one Officer present. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 31, 2022 17:57:50 GMT
If the Met went in hard and manhandled these protesters dragged them off the roads and slung them into vans some of them elderly causing injuries, would you approve? I think not Let me think about that for a second. Oh yes, every bit of it. Changing government should be through the ballot box, not through terrorist activity. I don't our Police, Police with the consent of the general public if the Police go in hard for no good reason and hurt people, they will lose that consent, the Oil Protesters are not violent towards the Police |
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Post by Morgan on Nov 1, 2022 8:41:16 GMT
Whatever happened to "Neighbourhood Watch"?
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Post by Handyman on Nov 1, 2022 12:15:48 GMT
It is still in place where I live, Safer Neighbourhood Teams with a drop in for a chat office in the high street, these days they update you via E-Mail of what is happening and where, what crimes have been reported etc
We of course can E-Mail them with any concerns or ask for advice, trouble is they get called into Central London to deal with the Protesters, 200 Officer a day from the outer Boroughs which means they are not patrolling my area as often as they used to
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Post by Steve on Nov 1, 2022 12:16:46 GMT
Whatever happened to "Neighbourhood Watch"? No point watching if the police won't react to what you report. c 30 years ago, I rang Sussex police one evening to report an attempted burglary in progress and was told 'our one car is busy at an accident right now so we can't attend'
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Post by Handyman on Nov 1, 2022 14:10:44 GMT
Which proves 30 years ago Sussex Police did not have enough Officers or transport, perhaps they are still shorthanded same as right across the country if they could not get there what could they do, what did you do watch the burglary happen?
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Post by Steve on Nov 1, 2022 15:43:24 GMT
Which proves 30 years ago Sussex Police did not have enough Officers or transport, perhaps they are still shorthanded same as right across the country if they could not get there what could they do, what did you do watch the burglary happen? No I stopped and as I was taking a picture the scrotes saw me and scarpered |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 1, 2022 15:44:11 GMT
Which proves 30 years ago Sussex Police did not have enough Officers or transport, perhaps they are still shorthanded same as right across the country if they could not get there what could they do, what did you do watch the burglary happen? I could give you a long list of me doing what Steve did and with exactly the same result, including lying about why they didn't turn up. |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 1, 2022 16:37:20 GMT
Which proves 30 years ago Sussex Police did not have enough Officers or transport, perhaps they are still shorthanded same as right across the country if they could not get there what could they do, what did you do watch the burglary happen? No I stopped and as I was taking a picture the scrotes saw me and scarpered Great well done, in our street we keep an eye on each other and help each other, |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 1, 2022 16:38:38 GMT
Which proves 30 years ago Sussex Police did not have enough Officers or transport, perhaps they are still shorthanded same as right across the country if they could not get there what could they do, what did you do watch the burglary happen? I could give you a long list of me doing what Steve did and with exactly the same result, including lying about why they didn't turn up. I am quite sure it does happen, but I like to think not as often as some people may think, but I still say we do not have enough Officers to Police effectively |
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