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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 2, 2023 22:23:34 GMT
Are you labour don't lie? They both lie. The leading echelons of both are a bunch of careerist self serving bastards. Once you understand that, your eyes might start to open. And you may begin to realise that most of our problems have nothing to do with the EU, illegal immigrants, wokeism, or whatever else such mouthpieces of the ruling elites as the Daily Mail tell you they are. The state we and our country are in is entirely due to those ruling elites, including politicians, and their propaganda arms in the media. You and your ilk are to them what Stalin would have called "useful idiots", useful and relied upon to do the elites' bidding and think how they want you to but they are generally contemptuous of you behind your back. If ever you started to understand this your eyes would be opened to the truth, and not the false reality you are being spoon fed. Actually interesting fact here, useful idiots came from the Americans. It was some politician talking about communist infiltration. He listed the types which I think were 4 altogether: useful idiot, card-carrying, the fellow traveller and one other I forget. The traveller was not a real traveller, but someone who travels along with the general ideology, e.g. hippies with commie philosophies. Card carrying is as the name suggests. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 3, 2023 6:55:27 GMT
They both lie. The leading echelons of both are a bunch of careerist self serving bastards. Once you understand that, your eyes might start to open. And you may begin to realise that most of our problems have nothing to do with the EU, illegal immigrants, wokeism, or whatever else such mouthpieces of the ruling elites as the Daily Mail tell you they are. The state we and our country are in is entirely due to those ruling elites, including politicians, and their propaganda arms in the media. You and your ilk are to them what Stalin would have called "useful idiots", useful and relied upon to do the elites' bidding and think how they want you to but they are generally contemptuous of you behind your back. If ever you started to understand this your eyes would be opened to the truth, and not the false reality you are being spoon fed. Actually interesting fact here, useful idiots came from the Americans. It was some politician talking about communist infiltration. He listed the types which I think were 4 altogether: useful idiot, card-carrying, the fellow traveller and one other I forget. The traveller was not a real traveller, but someone who travels along with the general ideology, e.g. hippies with commie philosophies. Card carrying is as the name suggests. Other sources claim the origin to be a british satirical publication from about fifty years before the Russian revolution wordhistories.net/2021/03/26/useful-idiot/ |
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Post by steppenwolf on Apr 3, 2023 7:05:40 GMT
If you wish to argue that Northern Ireland should not align itself with Irish / EU regulations, then how do you keep an open border with the Republic of Ireland. ? If you wish to argue that Northern Ireland should not align itself with UK regulations, then how do yo keep an open border with Northern Ireland and Great Britain. ? Northern Ireland has to somehow fit into the regulatory regime of both the UK and the EU, and the only logical way in which I can see this happening, is for the UK to keep Status Quo ... in other words to keep the regulatory regime we have had for 47 years from 1973 until we left the EU. If someone could please explain why keeping the same regulatory regime as Ireland, Norway, Iceland, Lichtenstein, Germany, France, Poland, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Greece, Malta, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Cyprus, Croatia, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Croatia and Slovenia is not possible, I would be very interested in knowing why. ? It would not prevent us from doing trade deals outside the EEA, in fact the contrary, because most Trade Blocks are queuing up to do trade deals with the EU / EEA. The reason is a matter of misplaced, rabid, and misjudged hatred of the very concept that large groups of nations should agree to live under the same regulations in order to make doing business better, easier and smoother, thereby improving chances of growth, prosperity and economic security. I repeat: There is no reason why the UK should not remain aligned to the same regulatory regime as the Republic of Ireland, in which cast the border problem would be solved. You're basically talking about the UK having "dynamic alignment" with EU rules and laws - i.e. being in the Single Market. That looks a lot like being in the EEA (like Norway, Iceland etc.) We'd be in the Single Market but not the Customs Union (so we could make our own deals - with the agreement of the other EEA members) or CAP/CFP . The trouble is the Single Market brings with it a lot of baggage like the 4 pillars (FOM etc). We'd end up having to obey most of the EU laws and directives while having no ability to vote against them - and still paying into the EU budget (although less). That's taxation without representation. But you've fallen into the EU's trap - its web of confusion and complication. We simply want free trade and you don't normally have to accept the overarching jurisprudence of the country you're trading with in order to trade freely. The British people never voted to be part of a European superstate. Switzerland, for example, is not a member of the EU or part of the Single market and has achieved free trade with the EU via bilateral deals by product sector and Switzerland has borders with several EU countries. But these borders are not physical borders - they're managed by a combination of trust and technology - and they seem to work with little friction. In fact there are borders between NI and Ireland (e.g. VAT and currency) but they're not physical borders and you're not aware of them. The thing is that the EU has "weaponised" the NI border and Theresa May backed down in the face of the EU demanding that all documents on this border would be paper based rather than digital. What we should have done is told the EU to bog off and told them to put up a border if they want to - but we would not put up a border. Problem solved. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 3, 2023 9:14:33 GMT
Except that the purpose of Brexit was to control our borders. You can't control a border by not having a border.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 3, 2023 12:02:09 GMT
Except that the purpose of Brexit was to control our borders. You can't control a border by not having a border. The purpose of Brexit was to release us from clutches that the EUSSR had on our country.....Best thing the UK has ever done for a long while. |
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Post by borchester on Apr 3, 2023 12:10:11 GMT
Except that the purpose of Brexit was to control our borders. You can't control a border by not having a border. No it wasn't.
Brexit was about British laws being being made in Britain rather than Brussels.
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Post by borchester on Apr 3, 2023 12:12:15 GMT
Both Rishi and Boris lied, but Boris' lies are more fun.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 15:56:05 GMT
Both Rishi and Boris lied, but Boris' lies are more fun.
They are also more self serving and totally transparent to anyone with eyes and ears that work in consort with a functioning brain. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 3, 2023 16:25:23 GMT
Both Rishi and Boris lied, but Boris' lies are more fun.
They are also more self serving and totally transparent to anyone with eyes and ears that work in consort with a functioning brain. Of course Starmer is the pinnacle of truth ...LOL |
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