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Post by thomas on Mar 29, 2023 7:57:50 GMT
Drakeford blames ‘ideological’ Tory Governments for lack of control over Wales’ water
Wales doesn’t control its own water resources and infrastructure because the UK Government believes “devolution was a mistake” First Minister Mark Drakeford told the Senedd today (28 March).
“Wales exports 320 million litres a day of water to England from Cwm Elan in mid Wales, for which Dŵr Cymru receives just £7 million from Severn Trent. The agreement dates back to 1984.”
(That’s 116.8 BILLION litres of water a year)
westmisnter government s stealing yet more resources from the colonies. I tell you how exactly could england survive without scotland and wales and northern ireland?
I think its time we scots irish and welsh had a referendum on kicking england out of the uk.
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Post by om15 on Mar 29, 2023 10:05:00 GMT
Who else does Drakeford imagine he is going to sell the water to?
Compare this whinge against the huge amount of money Westminster diverts to Wales, Drakeford is an idiot.
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Post by thomas on Mar 30, 2023 7:08:51 GMT
Who else does Drakeford imagine he is going to sell the water to? Compare this whinge against the huge amount of money Westminster diverts to Wales, Drakeford is an idiot. Whats your point? If wales take back control of their own nations resources , you wont buy from them in a fit of pique?
Compare and contrast that with all the contries that left the british empire and london rule , from ireland to the USA and india , to name a few that you are desperate to buy and sell to , to england leaving the eu and being that desperate to get a deal with the EU so much rishi the remainer gave them control of northern ireland and put a british border down the irish sea. 
Same old same old om. You bleat about westmisnter money going to wales, but when we scots and welsh say keep your money , and we will keep ours , you go silent before screaming about how we cant afford to be independent.
I have every confidence that as the uk spirals down and down under the dead hand of labour and conservative , increasingly more and more scots and welsh will be looking over to our independent cousins across the water and asking why cant we be like the irish.?
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Post by Vinny on Mar 30, 2023 9:02:19 GMT
High time devolution was scrapped.
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Post by thomas on Mar 30, 2023 14:37:06 GMT
High time devolution was scrapped. You really are a strange guy vinny. You moan one minute that remainers wont accept the 2016 brexit referendum , while the next you demand devolution is scrapped as you refuse to accept the 1997 devolution referendums.
Told you before mate , democracy is a neverendum where you vote against things you dont like. You dont unilaterally and anti democratically demand the imperial government in westmisnter scraps things you dont like without a vote on it.
I cant speak for welsh devolution , but in scotland , around 8 % of the scottish electorate are against devolution . So when you get a majority in power in scotland ( or wales)who want to scrap our parliaments , let me know ok?
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 30, 2023 23:52:57 GMT
It is VERY important that you understand that Twatford the control freak is a man who has publicly stated to the Western Daily Press he found the welsh nationalist criminal activity in furtherance of their political goals ‘exciting’. It is also vital you understand no Labour administration in the devolved assembly has enjoyed the majority (of one) that the first such enjoyed, as a direct result of the clusterfuck of a by election held in Blaenau Gwent in 2005 Labours incompetence in pissing a 20,000 majority up the wall so utterly spectacularly when they tried to force this woman en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggie_Jones,_Baroness_Jones_of_Whitchurch on the electorate cost them their majority in the chamber AND the safest seat in wales. Although they regained the seat, they have always needed at least one other vote to rule and for a while that voice was a lib dem When Clegg sold out to Cameron, labour and lib dem officials fought - actually fought, ambulances were needed - in two counting centres in the assembly election in 2011. So Labour turned to Plaid for help, and found it in exchange for welsh nationalist policy as their own. The entire infrastructure, dams, pumps, pipes, pumping stations and treatment plants that supply this water was built with english pounds, english sweat, and it belings to english water companies. Not a brass farthing of welsh money, or erg of effort or iota of talent went into it The plans showing the pipelines are locked in the drawer of the office of the welsh secretary in Cathays Park under classification that ensures no twat in the bay will ever see them because Plaid support the terrorists that tried to bomb those pipes to hold england to ransom. The plans of the LPG pipeline from Milford Haven through breconshire are similarly classified and locked away from nationalist eyes. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 31, 2023 8:13:53 GMT
It is VERY important that you understand that Twatford the control freak is a man who has publicly stated to the Western Daily Press he found the welsh nationalist criminal activity in furtherance of their political goals ‘exciting’. It is also vital you understand no Labour administration in the devolved assembly has enjoyed the majority (of one) that the first such enjoyed, as a direct result of the clusterfuck of a by election held in Blaenau Gwent in 2005 Labours incompetence in pissing a 20,000 majority up the wall so utterly spectacularly when they tried to force this woman en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggie_Jones,_Baroness_Jones_of_Whitchurch on the electorate cost them their majority in the chamber AND the safest seat in wales. Although they regained the seat, they have always needed at least one other vote to rule and for a while that voice was a lib dem When Clegg sold out to Cameron, labour and lib dem officials fought - actually fought, ambulances were needed - in two counting centres in the assembly election in 2011. So Labour turned to Plaid for help, and found it in exchange for welsh nationalist policy as their own. The entire infrastructure, dams, pumps, pipes, pumping stations and treatment plants that supply this water was built with english pounds, english sweat, and it belings to english water companies. Not a brass farthing of welsh money, or erg of effort or iota of talent went into it The plans showing the pipelines are locked in the drawer of the office of the welsh secretary in Cathays Park under classification that ensures no twat in the bay will ever see them because Plaid support the terrorists that tried to bomb those pipes to hold england to ransom. The plans of the LPG pipeline from Milford Haven through breconshire are similarly classified and locked away from nationalist eyes. ive listened intently over the years to your criticism of labour running wales under devolution. While you make many fair points john , on the subject of welsh water , im not sure i agree with you.
Scottish water is nationalised , so why cant welsh water be too?
If you mind i told you it was tony blairs new labour that tried to privatise scottish water , but of course it was met with such uproar they were kicked out of power (among much else).
I agree with you completely of the disaster of british labour running your country . Where we part comapny is i support devolution ,i think a pro welsh party would do much better , and that the english cannot be allowed to keep raping and pillaging both our countries of natural resources like water of which they have very little.
If they want welsh water to supply their cities .......charge them accordingly , instead of letting them take it via their comapnies for a pittance.
This is a nonsense john. Wales scotland and norhtern ireland more than supply their fair share to englands treasurey , not to mention our resources on the cheap.
Didnt i mind reading a story of how the english deported the inhabitants of a north wales village to flood the valley for a reservoir to feed liverpool?
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 31, 2023 10:08:40 GMT
It is VERY important that you understand that Twatford the control freak is a man who has publicly stated to the Western Daily Press he found the welsh nationalist criminal activity in furtherance of their political goals ‘exciting’. It is also vital you understand no Labour administration in the devolved assembly has enjoyed the majority (of one) that the first such enjoyed, as a direct result of the clusterfuck of a by election held in Blaenau Gwent in 2005 Labours incompetence in pissing a 20,000 majority up the wall so utterly spectacularly when they tried to force this woman en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggie_Jones,_Baroness_Jones_of_Whitchurch on the electorate cost them their majority in the chamber AND the safest seat in wales. Although they regained the seat, they have always needed at least one other vote to rule and for a while that voice was a lib dem When Clegg sold out to Cameron, labour and lib dem officials fought - actually fought, ambulances were needed - in two counting centres in the assembly election in 2011. So Labour turned to Plaid for help, and found it in exchange for welsh nationalist policy as their own. The entire infrastructure, dams, pumps, pipes, pumping stations and treatment plants that supply this water was built with english pounds, english sweat, and it belings to english water companies. Not a brass farthing of welsh money, or erg of effort or iota of talent went into it The plans showing the pipelines are locked in the drawer of the office of the welsh secretary in Cathays Park under classification that ensures no twat in the bay will ever see them because Plaid support the terrorists that tried to bomb those pipes to hold england to ransom. The plans of the LPG pipeline from Milford Haven through breconshire are similarly classified and locked away from nationalist eyes. ive listened intently over the years to your criticism of labour running wales under devolution. While you make many fair points john , on the subject of welsh water , im not sure i agree with you.
Scottish water is nationalised , so why cant welsh water be too?
If you mind i told you it was tony blairs new labour that tried to privatise scottish water , but of course it was met with such uproar they were kicked out of power (among much else).
I agree with you completely of the disaster of british labour running your country . Where we part comapny is i support devolution ,i think a pro welsh party would do much better , and that the english cannot be allowed to keep raping and pillaging both our countries of natural resources like water of which they have very little.
If they want welsh water to supply their cities .......charge them accordingly , instead of letting them take it via their comapnies for a pittance.
This is a nonsense john. Wales scotland and norhtern ireland more than supply their fair share to englands treasurey , not to mention our resources on the cheap.
Didnt i mind reading a story of how the english deported the inhabitants of a north wales village to flood the valley for a reservoir to feed liverpool?
I refer to the mechanism of financing behind the construction. The reservoirs to which Drakeford refers were built entirely from funds invested in ENGLISH water companies supplying ENGLISH customers in England. Dickford needs to sort the shit out with Welsh Water’s infrastructure supplying homes and customers in Wales first. The company (Hyder) went bust and for a while its only asset (The Hyder Businss Services wrbsite) was used to sell bulk supplies of explosives and category A and B drug making supplies in industrial volumes. I’ve got an invoice somewhere for twenty gallons of hydrochloric acid and gallons of solvents i bought from them for my company for miscellaneous industrial uses i am / was licensed for. They all arrived. Maybe i should have ordered 25kg of street meth precursor from the advertised indian pharma supplier and see if it turned up and whether the DPD driver was actually from SWAT The |
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Post by thomas on Mar 31, 2023 11:08:20 GMT
ive listened intently over the years to your criticism of labour running wales under devolution. While you make many fair points john , on the subject of welsh water , im not sure i agree with you.
Scottish water is nationalised , so why cant welsh water be too?
If you mind i told you it was tony blairs new labour that tried to privatise scottish water , but of course it was met with such uproar they were kicked out of power (among much else).
I agree with you completely of the disaster of british labour running your country . Where we part comapny is i support devolution ,i think a pro welsh party would do much better , and that the english cannot be allowed to keep raping and pillaging both our countries of natural resources like water of which they have very little.
If they want welsh water to supply their cities .......charge them accordingly , instead of letting them take it via their comapnies for a pittance.
This is a nonsense john. Wales scotland and norhtern ireland more than supply their fair share to englands treasurey , not to mention our resources on the cheap.
Didnt i mind reading a story of how the english deported the inhabitants of a north wales village to flood the valley for a reservoir to feed liverpool?
I refer to the mechanism of financing behind the construction. The reservoirs to which Drakeford refers were built entirely from funds invested in ENGLISH water companies supplying ENGLISH customers in England. sure but you miss my point. Who let foreign companies representing a foreign country supply foreigners with welsh water without the welsh people being fully in control and gaining financially?
Its funny how all these independent countires can supply english consumers with stuff like trains , or build the english nuclear power stations , while being handsomely remunerated by the english consumer , while the welsh are being ripped off?
Dickfords problem is he and his ilk are complicit in the robbery of wales resources over the decades.
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 1, 2023 13:57:39 GMT
I refer to the mechanism of financing behind the construction. The reservoirs to which Drakeford refers were built entirely from funds invested in ENGLISH water companies supplying ENGLISH customers in England. sure but you miss my point. Who let foreign companies representing a foreign country supply foreigners with welsh water without the welsh people being fully in control and gaining financially?
Its funny how all these independent countires can supply english consumers with stuff like trains , or build the english nuclear power stations , while being handsomely remunerated by the english consumer , while the welsh are being ripped off?
Dickfords problem is he and his ilk are complicit in the robbery of wales resources over the decades.
Well it was called a united kingdom for a fucking reason when these facilities were but in the 1800’s. And the facilities were built under the orders of the city and town councils for whose citizens the water was being supplied… |
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Post by thomas on Apr 1, 2023 15:46:20 GMT
sure but you miss my point. Who let foreign companies representing a foreign country supply foreigners with welsh water without the welsh people being fully in control and gaining financially?
Its funny how all these independent countires can supply english consumers with stuff like trains , or build the english nuclear power stations , while being handsomely remunerated by the english consumer , while the welsh are being ripped off?
Dickfords problem is he and his ilk are complicit in the robbery of wales resources over the decades.
Well it was called a united kingdom for a fucking reason when these facilities were but in the 1800’s. And the facilities were built under the orders of the city and town councils for whose citizens the water was being supplied… well you need to move with the times john. Its no longer the 1800`s , the union as it once was ended in 1922 , and since then , we now have devolution by popular demand.
Im still none the wiser why you think the welsh incapable of designing and building their own reservoirs , like us and every other country manage in the world without english money or help , and why the welsh shouldnt be making a pretty penny from selling vast quantities of water to whoever wants to buy it.
Like i keep telling you it isnt devolution thats the problem , but labours mismanagement of it in wales. They tried to flog off scottish water in 2005 , and received a kicking for it .
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Post by Vinny on Apr 3, 2023 9:56:48 GMT
The English and the Welsh and the Scots are not foreign to each other.
They are British.
How does it work? In the same way that Texans, Californians, and New Yorkers are not foreign to each other, they are Americans.
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 3, 2023 11:47:47 GMT
The English and the Welsh and the Scots are not foreign to each other. They are British. How does it work? In the same way that Texans, Californians, and New Yorkers are not foreign to each other, they are Americans. Well, historically of course us Vikings cane and gave the mob we found here a good hiding (and their women a good stuffing too). The problem being like the Tutsi and Hutu we didn’t finish the job properly. |
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