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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2022 0:06:15 GMT
I've noticed that youtube are really cracking down on this stuff.
It's more that cracking down on videos that have existed on youtube since its inception is a litmus test of how far censorship has come. I'm not saying virulently anti-semitic NF videos should stay up on youtube, but it's interesting that pro-CCP stuff can flourish but NF stuff can't. All 4 of their party members must be bitterly disappointed by this development. 
The internet is turning this way though: free speech is no longer allowed, cloud platforms will shut down your website if any 'extremist' views are allowed on there.
And evem on here, we are seeing people calling for users like sword and probox to be banned for their views.
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Post by patman post on Oct 20, 2022 18:49:21 GMT
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Post by wapentake on Oct 20, 2022 20:26:42 GMT
I've noticed that youtube are really cracking down on this stuff.
It's more that cracking down on videos that have existed on youtube since its inception is a litmus test of how far censorship has come. I'm not saying virulently anti-semitic NF videos should stay up on youtube, but it's interesting that pro-CCP stuff can flourish but NF stuff can't. All 4 of their party members must be bitterly disappointed by this development.
The internet is turning this way though: free speech is no longer allowed, cloud platforms will shut down your website if any 'extremist' views are allowed on there.
And evem on here, we are seeing people calling for users like sword and probox to be banned for their views.
I agree that free speech is in jeopardy and history too is being rewritten,really they could’ve let them stand and like private eye used to put them in the mental health section. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2022 9:47:38 GMT
I've noticed that youtube are really cracking down on this stuff.
It's more that cracking down on videos that have existed on youtube since its inception is a litmus test of how far censorship has come. I'm not saying virulently anti-semitic NF videos should stay up on youtube, but it's interesting that pro-CCP stuff can flourish but NF stuff can't. All 4 of their party members must be bitterly disappointed by this development.
The internet is turning this way though: free speech is no longer allowed, cloud platforms will shut down your website if any 'extremist' views are allowed on there.
And evem on here, we are seeing people calling for users like sword and probox to be banned for their views.
This smells of a Chinese inserted piece of malware hacked into Youtube's website. That would be pretty serious and quite worrying to Google. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 21, 2022 13:28:28 GMT
I'm fine with youtube taking down evil, but you're right they should take down pro communist and pro Putin shite as well.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 21, 2022 13:50:29 GMT
I'm fine with youtube taking down evil, but you're right they should take down pro communist and pro Putin shite as well. If only they would but they won't |
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Post by Steve on Oct 21, 2022 14:21:50 GMT
. . . And evem on here, we are seeing people calling for users like sword and probox to be banned for their views.
Are we? Examples please |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 21, 2022 14:22:52 GMT
I'm fine with youtube taking down evil, but you're right they should take down pro communist and pro Putin shite as well. I'm not because they are making the decision what is and is not evil. Pro communist and pro Putin could just be a different political viewpoint and a different view on the rights and wrongs of what Putin is/has doing/done. The only consideration should be legality and that is hard enough and becoming ever harder as the law tightens around our freedoms. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 21, 2022 14:29:02 GMT
The internet is turning this way though: free speech is no longer allowed, . .
Totally free speech should never be allowed. Even the USA with its free speech protections knows better. It's a balance of rights and when someone saying/posting something causes unfair harm it has to be curtailed. Also there is no moral or legal reason why YouTube (a private concern) should have to carry any messages it doesn't want to. So the anti Chinese government comments should be no issue, the NF and BNP videos may well have issues and if the easiest way for YouTube to manage that is delete the lot then that might be reasonable. |
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Post by petenz on Oct 21, 2022 15:03:52 GMT
I would be more concerned if the material taken down was solely that of criticism of China. Why should they be a special case? What type of criticism was removed?
I can see a case for removal of hate speech but that should be across the board and not confined to China.
If the Chinese regime is so popular with their people any criticism of it should be like water off a Pekin Duck's back.
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Post by sandypine on Oct 21, 2022 16:06:21 GMT
I would be more concerned if the material taken down was solely that of criticism of China. Why should they be a special case? What type of criticism was removed? I can see a case for removal of hate speech but that should be across the board and not confined to China. If the Chinese regime is so popular with their people any criticism of it should be like water off a Pekin Duck's back. Hate speech is a very subjective issue. Why can I not hate any ideology, it is a common occurrence for many Labour supporters to express hatred for Tories, can Tories hate back? The issue is always who decides on the acceptability or not of certain speech. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2022 16:15:42 GMT
I'm fine with youtube taking down evil, but you're right they should take down pro communist and pro Putin shite as well. I understand where you're coming from: no double standards etc, but it's a worrying precedent.
Who describes what is Communist?
McCarthy described EVERYONE he had a problem with as Communist. Some describe everything as far right - sure, there are a lot of people on the far right who pretend not to be racist and all the rest of it, that's also true at the same time, but let's think about the implications here. It could be a slippery slope?
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Post by petenz on Oct 21, 2022 20:59:18 GMT
I would be more concerned if the material taken down was solely that of criticism of China. Why should they be a special case? What type of criticism was removed? I can see a case for removal of hate speech but that should be across the board and not confined to China. If the Chinese regime is so popular with their people any criticism of it should be like water off a Pekin Duck's back. Hate speech is a very subjective issue. Why can I not hate any ideology, it is a common occurrence for many Labour supporters to express hatred for Tories, can Tories hate back? The issue is always who decides on the acceptability or not of certain speech. I wouldn't class criticism of an ideology as hate speech. Was the content of the anti-Chinese comments taken down because they were referred to as "little yellow (insert your preferred adjective here)" which would be unacceptable, or was it because it criticised their political system which would be fair comment? |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 21, 2022 21:24:28 GMT
Hate speech is a very subjective issue. Why can I not hate any ideology, it is a common occurrence for many Labour supporters to express hatred for Tories, can Tories hate back? The issue is always who decides on the acceptability or not of certain speech. I wouldn't class criticism of an ideology as hate speech. Was the content of the anti-Chinese comments taken down because they were referred to as "little yellow (insert your preferred adjective here)" which would be unacceptable, or was it because it criticised their political system which would be fair comment? You may not but many would, and do, as ideology sometimes is linked to things that many regard as protected. One can hate Scientology without much comeback yet one cannot hate Islam without repercussions. Anything that is linked in any way to ethnicity has an aura round it that screams protected. If one expresses hatred of Judaism is one being ideological or racist. Rastafarian is another, can one hate Rastafarianism without being accused of racism. I suppose Scientology is fair game because it is mainly followed by white people. It is a bit of a mess and very very subjective. |
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Post by petenz on Oct 21, 2022 21:33:59 GMT
I wouldn't class criticism of an ideology as hate speech. Was the content of the anti-Chinese comments taken down because they were referred to as "little yellow (insert your preferred adjective here)" which would be unacceptable, or was it because it criticised their political system which would be fair comment? You may not but many would, and do, as ideology sometimes is linked to things that many regard as protected. One can hate Scientology without much comeback yet one cannot hate Islam without repercussions. Anything that is linked in any way to ethnicity has an aura round it that screams protected. If one expresses hatred of Judaism is one being ideological or racist. Rastafarian is another, can one hate Rastafarianism without being accused of racism. I suppose Scientology is fair game because it is mainly followed by white people. It is a bit of a mess and very very subjective. I should have made it more clear that I was referring to criticism of political ideologies rather than the religious or ethnic as you have quoted. |
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