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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 22, 2023 8:26:07 GMT
So the Met Police is "institutionally racist, sexist, misogynist and homophobic" according to Baroness Casey. I seem to remember a similar report in 1999 by Lord McPherson that said basically the same thing, so nothing has changed. But I wonder if the Baroness is being a bit unrealistic - or in some cases has simply got it wrong.
Take the charge of "racism". The evidence for this charge relies heavily on the fact that blacks are about 7 times more likely to be stopped and searched. But blacks are more than 7 times more likely perpetrate the type of street crime that leads to them being stopped. And 90% of violent crime in London is carried out by young black males. They're also more likely to be carrying weapons. So is it any surprise that the police watch the black community more closely. They wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't. The problem with Casey confusing this with "racism" is that it justifies the claims by all the black "community leaders" who use it to back up their false claims of unfair treatment by the police.
In the case of sexism and misogyny there are two aspects. The first is that police women are treated badly by their male colleagues. But it should be pretty obvious that police work is often a very difficult job. As one cop I know said, if you've got to go into a pub on Friday night and sort out a fight, you don't want a woman PC by your side. The fact is that many policemen don't think that women are equipped to do the tougher jobs - and they're right. But of course the politically correct leaders of the police refuse to recognise this fact. They want more women in the force - and ethnics.
In the case of the treatment of female "members of the public" this is a valid complaint of course, but the way to treat that is to boot out those cops who behave badly. There should be no tolerance of crimes against women in the police force. Wayne Couzens should have been booted out years ago for various crimes - and Mark Rowley was in charge when no one even bothered to investigate flashing offences that had been reported.
I think the point is that people like Casey don't really have much idea of how difficult a job policing this country has become. They have to deal with some very nasty people - many of whom have been let into this country by our "open borders" policy. Albanians for example, who are known for their extreme violence. You can't recruit a bunch of choir boys and expect them to be able to deal with these people. A lot of the police are not very nice people - I've met a few - but it doesn't mean they're bad cops. Casey seems to want a bunch of politically correct, highly educated employees who follow all the rules - but if she ever achieved it she might find that they were pretty useless at controlling crime. In fact that's probably what we've got already - we need more tough guys in the police.
And, as a postscript, why is it that Sadiq Khan seems to have escaped all criticism? It's part of his job to be the commissioner for the Met. Yet no one has criticised him at all. Why is it that muslims seem to get away with everything. Because he'd just call it islamophobia?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 8:41:00 GMT
I thought the accusation was moronic, but not for the reasons some might expect.
Critical Race Theory's major tenet is that racism "is a complex, omnipresent system designed to keep people of colour down for the benefit of white people" and not merely some prejudice. Basically, EVERY institution in the world with a white background is institutionally racist, from Monarchy to the MET, to everything else. It also states that non-white people cannot be racist, and anyone who suggests otherwise are peddling myths. Only white people can be racist under this twisted ideology and all systems in the western world are institutionally racist if white people were or are behind them.
The end game is to stamp out all racism. I'm sure you can all draw your own conclusions from it, and if those conclusions seem extreme then just keep in mind that that sort of lunacy has happened before.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2023 9:53:26 GMT
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Post by Orac on Mar 23, 2023 8:18:57 GMT
The more they correct it, the more it fails in its primary duty.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 24, 2023 10:53:14 GMT
I'll tell you what effect the Casey report will have not only on the Met, but in all likelihood on all police forces.
They will become even more woke.
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Post by sandypine on Mar 24, 2023 14:51:42 GMT
I thought the accusation was moronic, but not for the reasons some might expect. Critical Race Theory's major tenet is that racism "is a complex, omnipresent system designed to keep people of colour down for the benefit of white people" and not merely some prejudice. Basically, EVERY institution in the world with a white background is institutionally racist, from Monarchy to the MET, to everything else. It also states that non-white people cannot be racist, and anyone who suggests otherwise are peddling myths. Only white people can be racist under this twisted ideology and all systems in the western world are institutionally racist if white people were or are behind them. The end game is to stamp out all racism. I'm sure you can all draw your own conclusions from it, and if those conclusions seem extreme then just keep in mind that that sort of lunacy has happened before. The left use many unproveable theories to set the narrative, perhaps our error is dealing with the left in a factual way as opposed to just lying as they openly tend to do. |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 24, 2023 16:02:42 GMT
I'll tell you what effect the Casey report will have not only on the Met, but in all likelihood on all police forces. They will become even more woke. Those that can will leave ASAP, they are already dissatisfied, moral was low before this report, pay and conditions are not good they are working the clock round and all being stereotyped because of the behaviour of a few, and those who were considering joining the Met or other Police Forces will probably change their minds. I did read in the media some weeks back even before this report over 500 serving Met Officers have shown a keen interest in transferring to Western Australia following a recruitment drive by the Australians, as many did in the late 70's and early 80's |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 24, 2023 16:13:21 GMT
I'll tell you what effect the Casey report will have not only on the Met, but in all likelihood on all police forces. They will become even more woke. Those that can will leave ASAP, they are already dissatisfied, moral was low before this report, pay and conditions are not good they are working the clock round and all being stereotyped because of the behaviour of a few, and those who were considering joining the Met or other Police Forces will probably change their minds. I did read in the media some weeks back even before this report over 500 serving Met Officers have shown a keen interest in transferring to Western Australia following a recruitment drive by the Australians, as many did in the late 70's and early 80's Cant say I blame coppers who are considering moving to Australia, over the past 20 years or so this country has gone to the dogs. |
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Post by patman post on Mar 24, 2023 16:39:01 GMT
So the Met Police is "institutionally racist, sexist, misogynist and homophobic" according to Baroness Casey. I seem to remember a similar report in 1999 by Lord McPherson that said basically the same thing, so nothing has changed. But I wonder if the Baroness is being a bit unrealistic - or in some cases has simply got it wrong. Take the charge of "racism". The evidence for this charge relies heavily on the fact that blacks are about 7 times more likely to be stopped and searched. But blacks are more than 7 times more likely perpetrate the type of street crime that leads to them being stopped. And 90% of violent crime in London is carried out by young black males. They're also more likely to be carrying weapons. So is it any surprise that the police watch the black community more closely. They wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't. The problem with Casey confusing this with "racism" is that it justifies the claims by all the black "community leaders" who use it to back up their false claims of unfair treatment by the police. In the case of sexism and misogyny there are two aspects. The first is that police women are treated badly by their male colleagues. But it should be pretty obvious that police work is often a very difficult job. As one cop I know said, if you've got to go into a pub on Friday night and sort out a fight, you don't want a woman PC by your side. The fact is that many policemen don't think that women are equipped to do the tougher jobs - and they're right. But of course the politically correct leaders of the police refuse to recognise this fact. They want more women in the force - and ethnics. In the case of the treatment of female "members of the public" this is a valid complaint of course, but the way to treat that is to boot out those cops who behave badly. There should be no tolerance of crimes against women in the police force. Wayne Couzens should have been booted out years ago for various crimes - and Mark Rowley was in charge when no one even bothered to investigate flashing offences that had been reported. I think the point is that people like Casey don't really have much idea of how difficult a job policing this country has become. They have to deal with some very nasty people - many of whom have been let into this country by our "open borders" policy. Albanians for example, who are known for their extreme violence. You can't recruit a bunch of choir boys and expect them to be able to deal with these people. A lot of the police are not very nice people - I've met a few - but it doesn't mean they're bad cops. Casey seems to want a bunch of politically correct, highly educated employees who follow all the rules - but if she ever achieved it she might find that they were pretty useless at controlling crime. In fact that's probably what we've got already - we need more tough guys in the police. And, as a postscript, why is it that Sadiq Khan seems to have escaped all criticism? It's part of his job to be the commissioner for the Met. Yet no one has criticised him at all. Why is it that muslims seem to get away with everything. Because he'd just call it islamophobia?Exactly — the Met reports to two masters, Mayor of London and Home Secretary, one for London’s civil policing, the other for national and special security. Sadiq Kahn has been Mayor for years. During his time in charge, policing for London has deteriorated to the point that few police are even really serving the community. Calls for burglaries get a crime number but no police. The streets remain un patrolled. And children and young women are told not to trust a lone police office if they feel threatened. Sadiq Kahn is London’s police commissioner, but it’s taken him until now to get the top cops changed — and even they are from the old guard where innocent electricians were executed as suspected terrorists. It’s certainly time to reform the Met — and probably time to do an Ofsted on each of the UK’s various police forces. Remove from duty all officers with outstanding complaints. Sack all officers found guilty of any criminal offence. A quarter of a century after Macpherson is too long for there to be no action… |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 24, 2023 18:03:22 GMT
Those that can will leave ASAP, they are already dissatisfied, moral was low before this report, pay and conditions are not good they are working the clock round and all being stereotyped because of the behaviour of a few, and those who were considering joining the Met or other Police Forces will probably change their minds. I did read in the media some weeks back even before this report over 500 serving Met Officers have shown a keen interest in transferring to Western Australia following a recruitment drive by the Australians, as many did in the late 70's and early 80's Cant say I blame coppers who are considering moving to Australia, over the past 20 years or so this country has gone to the dogs. They take a load of shite 24/7 racially abused, spat at. thumped, kicked, stabbed, some murdered, some pensioned off injured or PTSD they are complained about all the time , its all their fault for arresting me, telling yobs what they cannot do, they really do deal with lots of nasty horrible people day in and day out, its hard for them to try and drain the swamp when they are up their arses in Alligators . |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Mar 26, 2023 22:00:21 GMT
In anticipation that the 2008 financial crisis might lead to social unrest the MET police received a level of training that left many of them "expecting trouble" from members of the public. This combined with the increased powers Blair had earlier given to ordinary constables changed the way police think. The concern that "anarchists" would disrupt the 2012 Olympics also had its effect. Schizoid thinking is not unusual in police nowadays ... its like one is dealing with two people, their human "self" and the training-driven anticipator of trouble.
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