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Post by zanygame on Apr 1, 2023 6:32:33 GMT
Unfortunately I'm not. So losing 4% of our GDP from brexit and gaining 0.08% from this deal doesn't give me the thrill it should.Hi Zany …Are you sure the 4% drop in UK GDP is purely down to “Brexit” ? …. just off the cuff … here are some other reasons for a 4% drop. 1) World economic recession from the Pandemic 2) World economic recession from Sanctions 3) A severe drop in America’s economic performance since BLM rioters, Deep State and Globalists engineered ousting Trump from Office 4) Energy Market hyper-inflation 5) EU obstruction, intransigence and red tape Administrative blockages on both sides of the Brexit divide …killing businesses and trade between UK and Europe … artificially generated by fanatical opponents of Brexit who couldn’t envision FREE trade with the EU … without tariffs and conditions of forced immigration … instead of controlled immigration Can you clarify how the GDP of other EU Members faired over the same period? … How did Norway and Switzerland and other non-EU Members with non-obstructive trade agreements manage over the last 8 years since we voted OUT.?? As you can appreciate … powerful bullying opponents of Brexit(like our once loyal BBC) are manipulating stats left, right and centre to push and bully the Electorate to U-TURN.
The failure of important UK and International mainstream Media to support the Majority decision … celebrating every business failure with glee … creates a damaging depressive climate to our economy … whose success is govern largely by confidence and energy.
These “traitors” have easily wiped 4% off our GDP by being ‘NEGATIVE’ constantly … obstructing fast, effective smooth transition voters wanted executed within a year (max) … in an already very difficult economic climate where Western Globalists have pulled the plug on Sanity lately … determined to trigger a nuclear war with Russia.
Hardly a climate to encourage UK Citizens in the firing line to set up new businesses, tbh!🤔🙄 Hi Dubs. Yes the 4% was on top of the other reasons you list. Except for "EU intransigence" which is part of the cost of Brexit. All the other EU countries have gone through this same list. Including Brexit. And yes its very hard in business in this country at the moment, one catastrophe following another.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 1, 2023 6:40:59 GMT
If you believe that the 4% claim is accurate you are more barmy than I thought.. Do you have evidence to support this wild claim. Well the 4% claim is based on the following assumptions - how many do you expect will come true over the next 15 years? 1 - no improvement in non-EU trade 2 - no improvement in other policymaking 3 - a reduction in immigration 4 - improvement in the average productivity of new immigrants. As I said - just chill because its not going to happen. To take just one of the assumptions, immigration - far from falling the Government are planning for continued levels of high migration - 1 million over the next 4 years. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 1, 2023 6:43:05 GMT
If you believe that the 4% claim is accurate you are more barmy than I thought.. What figures are you celebrating with? I'm not celebrating anything as I dont pretend to be able to forecast the size of the economy in 15 years time. A fools errand.. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 1, 2023 6:52:02 GMT
Do you have evidence to support this wild claim. Well the 4% claim is based on the following assumptions - how many do you expect will come true over the next 15 years? 1 - no improvement in non-EU trade 2 - no improvement in other policymaking 3 - a reduction in immigration 4 - improvement in the average productivity of new immigrants. As I said - just chill because its not going to happen. To take just one of the assumptions, immigration - far from falling the Government are planning for continued levels of high migration - 1 million over the next 4 years. 1, Oh yeah 7 years after leaving and having been given the bum rush by America we get our first trade break through worth a staggering 0.08% 2, Agreed, no improvement at all. 3, Yes and see how that's improved things for us compared to those poor EU countries who still have FoM. How much better we are paid than them 🤣4, Of new immigrants 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 1, 2023 7:07:56 GMT
Well the 4% claim is based on the following assumptions - how many do you expect will come true over the next 15 years? 1 - no improvement in non-EU trade 2 - no improvement in other policymaking 3 - a reduction in immigration 4 - improvement in the average productivity of new immigrants. As I said - just chill because its not going to happen. To take just one of the assumptions, immigration - far from falling the Government are planning for continued levels of high migration - 1 million over the next 4 years. 1, Oh yeah 7 years after leaving and having been given the bum rush by America we get our first trade break through worth a staggering 0.08% 2, Agreed, no improvement at all. 3, Yes and see how that's improved things for us compared to those poor EU countries who still have FoM. How much better we are paid than them 🤣4, Of new immigrants 🤣🤣🤣You seem a tad confused - immigration has not gone down..  |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 1, 2023 7:10:36 GMT
1, Oh yeah 7 years after leaving and having been given the bum rush by America we get our first trade break through worth a staggering 0.08% 2, Agreed, no improvement at all. 3, Yes and see how that's improved things for us compared to those poor EU countries who still have FoM. How much better we are paid than them 🤣4, Of new immigrants 🤣🤣🤣You seem a tad confused - immigration has not gone down.. You said it. |
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Post by Toreador on Apr 1, 2023 7:43:16 GMT
Whoopee doo. They've announced this deal could be worth 0.08% to our GDP over 10 years. Thank god we left the EU and succoured this deal. 🥳 😒But we left the EU with a trade deal as well. |
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Post by Toreador on Apr 1, 2023 7:45:22 GMT
Outstanding post of the day. Well said. Don't be as silly as him, I am free to post both my opinions and my objective thoughts here, I guess I am possibly more objective than many posters which just might confuse some of those not quite awake enough to see the difference. I had a bad night and only got up half an hour ago but I'm ready to take you apart again..  |
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Post by see2 on Apr 1, 2023 8:06:48 GMT
Yep. The 0.08% is probably a bit high. If you believe that the 4% claim is accurate you are more barmy than I thought.. Information you don't like is open to your denigration, does that help to create a really simple self satisfied world for you to live in? |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 1, 2023 8:15:38 GMT
Whoopee doo. They've announced this deal could be worth 0.08% to our GDP over 10 years. Thank god we left the EU and succoured this deal. 🥳 😒But we left the EU with a trade deal as well. Explain. |
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Post by Toreador on Apr 1, 2023 8:17:19 GMT
But we left the EU with a trade deal as well. Explain. lol at the ineptitude. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 1, 2023 8:29:38 GMT
Don't be as silly as him, I am free to post both my opinions and my objective thoughts here, I guess I am possibly more objective than many posters which just might confuse some of those not quite awake enough to see the difference. I had a bad night and only got up half an hour ago but I'm ready to take you apart again.. Bring it on bud |
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Post by see2 on Apr 1, 2023 8:35:35 GMT
Whoopee doo. They've announced this deal could be worth 0.08% to our GDP over 10 years. Thank god we left the EU and succoured this deal. 🥳 😒But we left the EU with a trade deal as well. Not forgetting that the UK is a net importer of goods from the EU. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 1, 2023 8:43:59 GMT
But we left the EU with a trade deal as well. Not forgetting that the UK is a net importer of goods from the EU. Like it was when it was a member. But what's your point? |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 1, 2023 8:55:06 GMT
Hi Dubs. Yes the 4% was on top of the other reasons you list. Except for "EU intransigence" which is part of the cost of Brexit. All the other EU countries have gone through this same list. Including Brexit. And yes its very hard in business in this country at the moment, one catastrophe following another. Thanks for that interesting graph and explanation. - but can you really say that it was just Brexit ?… and not what was on my list? … when your graph just shows comparisons of GDP? Looking at it carefully … as you can see from the dates … the UK had a surge in GDP at the time of the Brexit vote … and around 2019 … just before the Pandemic kicked in to v. damaging effect. Analysts might put this down to the following: 1) Boris/Tory huge landslide victory promise to “get Brexit done” … the confidence that gave … 2) … and v.delayed ‘transition’ was finally getting going … GDP briefly skyrockets. We can surmise why it fell so rapidly: 1) GDP is not a great indicator of sustained growth and long term economic health? 2) Globalists deliberately triggered BLM rioting at the end of Trump’s period in Office denting the American economy … and with it UK trading confidence and transatlantic trade.. 3) Deep State and Globalists arguably triggered a Worldwide Pandemic to destroy the FREEDOM initiatives of the Brexit/Trump alliance movement threatening to sweep the World. [Note:Stifling Free Speech (destroying the first President to bypass Administrative/Media CENSORSHIP and controllers - in negotiating detente with Putin + communicating directly with The Electorate through Twitter … this was a direct challenge to Deep State and Globalist totalitarianism - including forced immigration agendas … like Brexit was..🤔] 4) Remoaners and the EU were interfering with the Irish border issue. stirring Scottish Independence to break up and fragment the UK … currently doing the same in Russia’s security corridors. Would you trust these people to now run the UK? … no, never … TRUST COMPLETELY BROKEN. They likely scuppered smooth trade through our ports(inc long long Dover lorry queues - never before known in our Administrative history - to that degree - why now? … surely we can point at deliberate sabotage? Obstructive slow red tape bureaucracy designed to kill businesses - especially those transporting perishable goods …This shows the mindset of a minority determined to exert their bullying on us to U-turn. 5) Lockdown damage … of businesses and people. A deliberate policy to cause super crippling economic damage just as transition was being rolled out 6 years too late) … This went totally against the UK’s normal Pandemic Strategy .. as adopted by Sweden.Btw … Sanctions will cause another GDP crash across Europe … not seen on your graph yet, Zany.🤔 I wonder how our GDP compared to Germany, Italy, France and many other EU Countries BEFORE we joined the EU … For years after we joined the Common Market, Brussels and Germany/France suppressed and marginalised UK influence and the power of London’s Finance/Market Hub drip by drip. …. It was all facilitated by our spineless politicians and their inability to shift the behemoth of EU Commission intransigence - grown lazy and happy to guzzle in the trough of EU political gravy train handouts and party in Brussels on champagne, caviar and truffles … We want competent local representation that can govern the whole of the UK efficiently and economically … We need a new Parliament … and Britons in charge who will feed profit 100% back into our Country and it’s indigenous people … like ALL Countries should … in the Good Old Empire Days. …. we won’t get that doing a U-turn and slithering back into Europe at the back of a handout queue … being marginalised and defunded again. … or by having a BBC listening to useless bitter, constantly begging, constantly moaning immigrant hacks - who experienced no slavery first hand … a privileged elite writing bullshit about the downsides of Colonialism … and none of the benefits their generation squandered and destroyed.🤔 |
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