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Post by dodgydave on Mar 21, 2023 14:24:07 GMT
Those last words are not true since Starmer is every bit as much of a liar as Boris. Still pissed off because the hard left have had their arse kicked. So you now post opinions that help the Tory agenda. You help right wing politics and call yourself a Social Democrat? LOL You have a very warped view of politics. According to you only the Tories should be held accountable, because to criticise anybody else is to help the Tories lol. That is called censorship mate, and belongs in a communist state / dictatorship... not a FREE DEMOCRACY. Here is an idea... how about Starmer acts like the fucking leader of Labour and spearheads the Labour movement instead of hiding in the shadows and hoping to win by default. People vote in the interest of their family and themselves. Most people are still doing ok, and its looking like come the election the cost of living and energy prices will be back down to normal levels, and interest rates will be falling. He needs to start pushing some game changing policies or people will vote for the status quo and he going to throw away a landslide, and instead have to form a coalition. |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 21, 2023 14:44:50 GMT
Is Rishi Sunak starting to win over voters? New poll sees Labour's lead over the Tories cut to just 10 points after series of announcements on Brexit, Channel migrants and the economy A Deltapoll survey today put the Conservatives up eight points on 35 points Party's highest rating since Liz Truss's disastrous mini-Budget last September
...how do they poll that I wonder - it says 10 points behind, but I don't understand how they get to that figure...how many people are undecided or will not vote? Where is the column for those that are undecided - I wonder how many people they had to poll until they got a sample of people that decided for a specific party? Surely that is the figure that is most telling based on....I guess the average turnout being mid 60%s...?? I'm not very good with polls...  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 15:10:38 GMT
Those last words are not true since Starmer is every bit as much of a liar as Boris. Still pissed off because the hard left have had their arse kicked. So you now post opinions that help the Tory agenda. You help right wing politics and call yourself a Social Democrat? LOL Still lying about me and my comrades being hard left I see. You cannot get your head out of the arse that is your own chosen political mislabeling. And you criticise me for helping the Tory agenda by not supporting your Tory-lite agenda, but you yourself frigging voted Tory when a genuine alternative was on offer. One thing I have never done is help the Tory agenda by actually voting for it. So much as you laughably criticise me for supposedly helping the Tories, only one of us has ever actually voted for the bastards and it isn't me. Lol And you expect the support of the left as of right as it's our fault that we don't support you. You need to realise that our support doesn't come for free anymore than anyone else's does. You drive us away then criticise us for not supporting you anyway. You can shove that sense of entitlement right up your arse. |
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Post by patman post on Mar 21, 2023 15:25:34 GMT
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Post by borchester on Mar 21, 2023 15:58:52 GMT
So despite weeks of anti immigrant rhetoric Labour are still 10 points ahead? With Boris's partygate inquiry still to come? It's not looking good for the Tories.
By gum Monty, you really are lightening aren't you? Nothing escapes you.
It is not looking good for the Tories. That is not because of Partygate, about which only a few sad prigs are making a fuss, but because the Tories are not needed. Starmer is busy building a left leaning, but broadly based social democratic party, and I expect his next move will be to send free coronation mug to every voter in the country.
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Post by Toreador on Mar 21, 2023 16:02:12 GMT
So despite weeks of anti immigrant rhetoric Labour are still 10 points ahead? With Boris's partygate inquiry still to come? It's not looking good for the Tories.
By gum Monty, you really are lightening aren't you? Nothing escapes you.
It is not looking good for the Tories. That is not because of Partygate, about which only a few sad prigs are making a fuss, but because the Tories are not needed. Starmer is busy building a left leaning, but broadly based social democratic party, and I expect his next move will be to send free coronation mug to every voter in the country.
I've written to him to tell you can have mine, you are more deserving.. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 21, 2023 16:22:12 GMT
Still pissed off because the hard left have had their arse kicked. So you now post opinions that help the Tory agenda. You help right wing politics and call yourself a Social Democrat? LOL You have a very warped view of politics. According to you only the Tories should be held accountable, because to criticise anybody else is to help the Tories lol. That is called censorship mate, and belongs in a communist state / dictatorship... not a FREE DEMOCRACY.Here is an idea... how about Starmer acts like the fucking leader of Labour and spearheads the Labour movement instead of hiding in the shadows and hoping to win by default. People vote in the interest of their family and themselves. Most people are still doing ok, and its looking like come the election the cost of living and energy prices will be back down to normal levels, and interest rates will be falling. He needs to start pushing some game changing policies or people will vote for the status quo and he going to throw away a landslide, and instead have to form a coalition. What a seriously distorted comment. Let me open you mind a little if that is possible. We have a criticism by a claimed Social Democrat attacking a Social Minded Center-left position which clearly helps the Right-Wing of politics, all happening as we approach what could be a Centre-Left 'V' a Right-Wing party for government. And you ludicrously make the stupid comparison to a a communist state / dictatorship... Here's an idea why not wait for the Labour manifesto before criticising Labour. By attacking Starmer are you, perhaps unintentionally, aiding the Right-Wing of politics? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 21, 2023 16:39:05 GMT
Still pissed off because the hard left have had their arse kicked. So you now post opinions that help the Tory agenda. You help right wing politics and call yourself a Social Democrat? LOL Still lying about me and my comrades being hard left I see. You cannot get your head out of the arse that is your own chosen political mislabeling. And you criticise me for helping the Tory agenda by not supporting your Tory-lite agenda, but you yourself frigging voted Tory when a genuine alternative was on offer. One thing I have never done is help the Tory agenda by actually voting for it. So much as you laughably criticise me for supposedly helping the Tories, only one of us has ever actually voted for the bastards and it isn't me. Lol And you expect the support of the left as of right as it's our fault that we don't support you. You need to realise that our support doesn't come for free anymore than anyone else's does. You drive us away then criticise us for not supporting you anyway. You can shove that sense of entitlement right up your arse. Are you now claiming that the hard left is actually the moderate left LOL. I don't have a Tory lite agenda any more than you have a Communist lite agenda. I voted Centre-Right and I would do that every time there is a Tory center-right verses a hard left opponent like the ridiculous Corbyn. I'm not voting Tory now and I know I never would except in extenuating circumstances, but you are criticising Labour LOL Hope you enjoy the next Tory government. And you can shove your Hard left stupidity right up yours. New Labour showed you the way but you are so controlled by your own political needs you refuse to see the wood for trees. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 16:56:38 GMT
Still lying about me and my comrades being hard left I see. You cannot get your head out of the arse that is your own chosen political mislabeling. And you criticise me for helping the Tory agenda by not supporting your Tory-lite agenda, but you yourself frigging voted Tory when a genuine alternative was on offer. One thing I have never done is help the Tory agenda by actually voting for it. So much as you laughably criticise me for supposedly helping the Tories, only one of us has ever actually voted for the bastards and it isn't me. Lol And you expect the support of the left as of right as it's our fault that we don't support you. You need to realise that our support doesn't come for free anymore than anyone else's does. You drive us away then criticise us for not supporting you anyway. You can shove that sense of entitlement right up your arse. Are you now claiming that the hard left is actually the moderate left LOL. I don't have a Tory lite agenda any more than you have a Communist lite agenda. I voted Centre-Right and I would do that every time there is a Tory center-right verses a hard left opponent like the ridiculous Corbyn. I'm not voting Tory now and I know I never would except in extenuating circumstances, but you are criticising Labour LOL Hope you enjoy the next Tory government. And you can shove your Hard left stupidity right up yours. New Labour showed you the way but you are so controlled by your own political needs you refuse to see the wood for trees. Like most people I saw through New Labour and Blair a long time ago. The only one here who cannot see the wood for the trees is you. And the fact you'd vote Tory if anything other than Tory-lite were in charge of Labour, shows which of us is serving the Tories. You are helping to serve the Tory agenda by supporting Labour in doing so. Which results in genuine people of principle on the left like me seeing your lot and the Tories as two cheeks of the same thatcherite arse. I will be supporting neither of you. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 21, 2023 17:08:28 GMT
Swallow your silly pride and vote for Reform UK. They want to change the voting system as well as many other things and they could surely do no worse than anything we've been lumbered with since 1945. www.reformparty.uk |
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 21, 2023 19:02:00 GMT
Swallow your silly pride and vote for Reform UK. They want to change the voting system as well as many other things and they could surely do no worse than anything we've been lumbered with since 1945. www.reformparty.ukYes. Split the vote on the right and get Labour. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 21, 2023 19:07:49 GMT
Still pissed off because the hard left have had their arse kicked. So you now post opinions that help the Tory agenda. You help right wing politics and call yourself a Social Democrat? LOL You have a very warped view of politics. According to you only the Tories should be held accountable, because to criticise anybody else is to help the Tories lol. That is called censorship mate, and belongs in a communist state / dictatorship... not a FREE DEMOCRACY. Here is an idea... how about Starmer acts like the fucking leader of Labour and spearheads the Labour movement instead of hiding in the shadows and hoping to win by default. People vote in the interest of their family and themselves. Most people are still doing ok, and its looking like come the election the cost of living and energy prices will be back down to normal levels, and interest rates will be falling. He needs to start pushing some game changing policies or people will vote for the status quo and he going to throw away a landslide, and instead have to form a coalition. Who the hell with ? After Clegg sold out to Cameron, riot police were needed at Sophia Gardens in 2011 to quell the fight between labour and lib dem supporters. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 21, 2023 19:38:31 GMT
Swallow your silly pride and vote for Reform UK. They want to change the voting system as well as many other things and they could surely do no worse than anything we've been lumbered with since 1945. www.reformparty.ukYes. Split the vote on the right and get Labour. You must have forgotten how the Brexit Party took Labour votes, they'll do it again. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 19:39:51 GMT
Some advice on Opinion Polls
Never read too much into ONE poll, always look at trends and averages, and if a poll shows a vastly different result to others, then its likely to be an "outliner", and so lets look at all opinion polls published in the last few days.
YouGov 15th 16th March ... Lab +19
Opinium 15th 17th March ... Lab +15
People Polling 17th March ... Lab +25
Redfield & Wilton 19th March ... Lab +21
Deltapoll 18th 20th March ... Lab +10
Seems to me that the Deltapoll result is an "outliner", but time will tell
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 21, 2023 19:49:27 GMT
Some proper advice on opinion polls: There's only one that matters.
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