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Post by Ripley on Mar 17, 2023 21:30:01 GMT
Maybe look at the big picture. Norway allows conjugal visits and has the lowest recidivism rate at 20% compared to 60% of British prisoners who reoffend within a year. Prisoners who get conjugal visits tend to behave better so they won't lose them, and that translates to lower costs for the prison system in the long run. Whoa there, looking at Norway is not in any sense, looking at the big picture. Remember mass murderer Anders Breivik? He made Norwegian law look bloody stupid. So much so the Norwegian government had to change the law or face global ridicule. You see in Norway the maximum sentence for any crime is 20 years, in a very comfortable prison. The Norwegian government quickly realised that even in socialist Norway, Breivik who murdered 77 people could not be released after 20 years. The left wing Norwegian unicorns crashed and burned. Still, there's no denying the link between conjugal visits and rates of recidivism, which reduces costs over time for the prison service. That's why they may be motivated to consider allowing it - not because they particularly want to reward the prisoners but that there's a profit incentive for the system if they do. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 17, 2023 21:35:06 GMT
Whoa there, looking at Norway is not in any sense, looking at the big picture. Remember mass murderer Anders Breivik? He made Norwegian law look bloody stupid. So much so the Norwegian government had to change the law or face global ridicule. You see in Norway the maximum sentence for any crime is 20 years, in a very comfortable prison. The Norwegian government quickly realised that even in socialist Norway, Breivik who murdered 77 people could not be released after 20 years. The left wing Norwegian unicorns crashed and burned. Still, there's no denying the link between conjugal visits and rates of recidivism, which reduces costs over time for the prison service. That's why they may be motivated to consider allowing it - not because they particularly want to reward the prisoners but that there's a profit incentive for the system if they do. What link? You say there's no denying the link between conjugal visits and rates of recidivism, what link? |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 17, 2023 21:37:24 GMT
...why because I couldn't give a fuck about some wanker in prison getting married...okay...I'm a lefty....  Harsh, but fair. ...I mean seriously....if some fucked up tart want's to marry a prick like him then who the hell really cares, let the buggers get married just chemically neuter the pair of them in order to make sure they don't spawn more wee killers into the world or pass on any other dodgy genes. With all the shit going on in the world two fucked up people saying "I do" is hardly pouring petrol on any other burning issue.
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Post by Ripley on Mar 17, 2023 21:54:12 GMT
Still, there's no denying the link between conjugal visits and rates of recidivism, which reduces costs over time for the prison service. That's why they may be motivated to consider allowing it - not because they particularly want to reward the prisoners but that there's a profit incentive for the system if they do. What link? You say there's no denying the link between conjugal visits and rates of recidivism, what link? The fact that the recidivism rate in Norway, where conjugal visits are allowed, is so much lower than most other places. What else explains that? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 17, 2023 22:04:41 GMT
What link? You say there's no denying the link between conjugal visits and rates of recidivism, what link? The fact that the recidivism rate in Norway, where conjugal visits are allowed, is so much lower than most other places. What else explains that? Ripley, please don't hold up Norway as a towering example of penal justice. Anders Breivik showed the world that the penal system in Norway is a joke. |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 17, 2023 22:23:55 GMT
What link? You say there's no denying the link between conjugal visits and rates of recidivism, what link? The fact that the recidivism rate in Norway, where conjugal visits are allowed, is so much lower than most other places. What else explains that?....yoga lessons.... |
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Post by Ripley on Mar 17, 2023 22:46:58 GMT
The fact that the recidivism rate in Norway, where conjugal visits are allowed, is so much lower than most other places. What else explains that?....yoga lessons.... Ah.  |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 18, 2023 12:26:07 GMT
My immediate thought was "murderers should not have rights", then I thought - just let him get married, it's cheaper all round and the faux outrage will disappear in a week. I do not understand your rationale. Your immediate thought was "murderers should not have rights". Excellent I thought, we're on the same page. Then you had to spoil it by going all limp wristed and left wing. Well, i’m with you on the murderers should not have rights I have to ask though, assuming the other party is of sound mind, and doesn’t have a similar criminal record, what right has the state to piss on their right to enter into a marriage….. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 18, 2023 14:41:57 GMT
Do you understand the concept of prison? The denial of liberty as a punishment because an individual cant live by rules set down by civilised society. Assuming you accept that concept, then why should an individual who is in prison because he cant live by those rules, be granted the privileges of a free man? Maybe look at the big picture. Norway allows conjugal visits and has the lowest recidivism rate at 20% compared to 60% of British prisoners who reoffend within a year. Prisoners who get conjugal visits tend to behave better so they won't lose them, and that translates to lower costs for the prison system in the long run. Yup. If there’s one thing that the murdered of Millie Dowling deserves it’s a regular shag. Sometimes I fucking wonder………. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 20, 2023 12:41:28 GMT
I do not understand your rationale. Your immediate thought was "murderers should not have rights". Excellent I thought, we're on the same page. Then you had to spoil it by going all limp wristed and left wing. Well, i’m with you on the murderers should not have rights I have to ask though, assuming the other party is of sound mind, and doesn’t have a similar criminal record, what right has the state to piss on their right to enter into a marriage….. He committed the most heinous of crimes, as far as I'm concerned he should have no rights. Well actually he should have been executed, but we all know that's not going to happen because society has become all left wing and soft. |
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Post by dodgydave on Mar 24, 2023 1:37:15 GMT
Well, i’m with you on the murderers should not have rights I have to ask though, assuming the other party is of sound mind, and doesn’t have a similar criminal record, what right has the state to piss on their right to enter into a marriage….. He committed the most heinous of crimes, as far as I'm concerned he should have no rights. Well actually he should have been executed, but we all know that's not going to happen because society has become all left wing and soft. He should have been castrated then hung. Instead you have him giving it large, upsetting his victims families further, and costing the taxpayer a fortune in legal aid. Ironically the majority of men would favour castrating rapists, and hanging murderers and it is women who are most likely to give people a second chance. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 24, 2023 12:12:43 GMT
Anyone who would want to marry Levi Bellfield should be sectioned.
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Post by Orac on Mar 27, 2023 14:42:26 GMT
Another peculiar push to give people who rip children apart with chainsaws, the right to a family life.
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