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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 16:55:26 GMT
Lets say a boat arrives on our shores with 50 'asylum seekers' on board and that 49 of them are wishing to do us harm, as some on here seem to believe, but one is a real refugee, lets make it a woman and they, under this new law, are returned to their country of origin without processing and a few weeks later we discover that on arrival in her home country she was arrested, detained, starved, raped and beaten to death, would people on this site say it was worth it to get rid of the other 49?
Lets say a boat arrives on our shores with 50 'asylum seekers' on board and that 49 of them are wishing to do us harm, as some on here seem to believe, but one is a real refugee, lets make it a woman and they, under this new law, are returned to their country of origin without processing and a few weeks later we discover that on arrival in her home country she was arrested, detained, starved, raped and beaten to death, would people on this site say it was worth it to get rid of the other 49? But lets consider how she may have ended up getting on one of the boats. Lets say she was pregnant, with twins, and the father of the twins raped and beat her because she did not wear a head covering, her friends helped her recover and arranged for her travel to the UK by boat to which she was not aware of the 'illegal' action she was taking, after all she was terrified and wanted to escape, she had no documents as the 'father' of her future children destroyed then so she could not leave.
Lets also say that she spoke English, had registered relatives in the UK and a home to go to.
Do you think it was worth it.
I notice no one will actually answer the question and say if it was worth it, I wonder why?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 16:57:32 GMT
Since we are having a fantasy discussion lets inject a little seriousness. Lets say a boat arrives on our shores with 50 'asylum seekers' on board and that 49 of them are wishing to do us harm, as some on here seem to believe, but one is a real refugee, lets make it a woman and they, under this new law, are returned to their country of origin without processing and a few weeks later we discover that on arrival in her home country she was arrested, detained, starved, raped and beaten to death, would people on this site say it was worth it to get rid of the other 49? Honest answer only please. She took a chance on leaving a safe country, France, to better her situation as opposed to seeking asylum there. This is the type of thing that happens like asylum seekers knifing students in the back. What you want is to put many in the UK at risk, and we know they are at risk as history shows us, so as to protect one person. It is a balance and currently the balance is skewed against the British Public's safety, skewing it the other way will have a cost to those arriving, but there will always be a cost. Once it is skewed our way then the situation can be controlled currently it is in ridiculous mode and has been for well over a year. She spoke English and had a home here with relatives who are nationalised, she knew no one in France and could not speak the language. Was it worth it? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 16:58:42 GMT
He's not asking everyone. You are, of course, free to answer it if you can. If you mean me, I am asking everyone. If not please ignore. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 18, 2023 17:01:12 GMT
She took a chance on leaving a safe country, France, to better her situation as opposed to seeking asylum there. This is the type of thing that happens like asylum seekers knifing students in the back. What you want is to put many in the UK at risk, and we know they are at risk as history shows us, so as to protect one person. It is a balance and currently the balance is skewed against the British Public's safety, skewing it the other way will have a cost to those arriving, but there will always be a cost. Once it is skewed our way then the situation can be controlled currently it is in ridiculous mode and has been for well over a year. She spoke English and had a home here with relatives who are nationalised, she knew no one in France and could not speak the language. Was it worth it? Of course it is because say the other 49 had landed and three British woman raped and two men murdered would that then be worth it to save one woman? As I said it has to be skewed now to the British people's safety, controlled and then relaxed as per needs. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 18, 2023 17:34:57 GMT
Answered what? A question you posed to get out of me pointing out your attempt to rope in Orwell with your inappropriate rhetoric? Your question was about a neighbours dump. My response was far better than you deserved darling It's called arguing by analogy. It's a valid debating technique that's used in the courts every working day of the week. In fact, it's how the common law develops. Sorry you don't think it's good enough for this place, Benny. Of course, you could just answer the question. It’s called changing the goalposts darling . You were struggling with roping in Orwell and you changed the subject. The forum isn’t a court , it’s a debate forum. You incessantly repeating your demand for me to answer your question about dumps in gardens ( to hide your squirming) isn’t how it works darling . |
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Post by Orac on Mar 18, 2023 17:42:17 GMT
If she is the victim of crime in France, she should go to the French authorities. All you are doing is indirectly circling back on the claim that people have a legitimate reason to seek asylum from France in the Uk - they don't. These people are not seeking asylum from France but rather their own country. They don't need asylum from their own country if they are in France. You keep hitting the same wall here |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 17:59:51 GMT
She spoke English and had a home here with relatives who are nationalised, she knew no one in France and could not speak the language. Was it worth it? Of course it is because say the other 49 had landed and three British woman raped and two men murdered would that then be worth it to save one woman? As I said it has to be skewed now to the British people's safety, controlled and then relaxed as per needs. No they were all sent back to their countries of origin. You are somehow justifying the woman's death by a quick bit of whatifery. Don't forget they would need to be processed to be able to stay and the governments intent is to not process them, just return them. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 18, 2023 18:00:07 GMT
Lets say a boat arrives on our shores with 50 'asylum seekers' on board and that 49 of them are wishing to do us harm, as some on here seem to believe, but one is a real refugee, lets make it a woman and they, under this new law, are returned to their country of origin without processing and a few weeks later we discover that on arrival in her home country she was arrested, detained, starved, raped and beaten to death, would people on this site say it was worth it to get rid of the other 49? How many people in this country are going to die at the hands of the 49 intent on attacking us? Without that knowledge nobody can say whether it was worth it |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 18:01:13 GMT
These people are not seeking asylum from France but rather their own country. They don't need asylum from their own country if they are in France. You keep hitting the same wall here You are hitting the wall, they have a legal right to leave France and go to a country of their choice, why can you not acknowledge that? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 18:04:04 GMT
Lets say a boat arrives on our shores with 50 'asylum seekers' on board and that 49 of them are wishing to do us harm, as some on here seem to believe, but one is a real refugee, lets make it a woman and they, under this new law, are returned to their country of origin without processing and a few weeks later we discover that on arrival in her home country she was arrested, detained, starved, raped and beaten to death, would people on this site say it was worth it to get rid of the other 49? How many people in this country are going to die at the hands of the 49 intent on attacking us? Without that knowledge nobody can say whether it was worth it How do you know any of the 49 will kill anyone, I said do us harm, there are many ways to do that without killing? They have all been returned and the only way they could stay is to process them. The woman still died a horrible death. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 18, 2023 18:05:46 GMT
How many people in this country are going to die at the hands of the 49 intent on attacking us? Without that knowledge nobody can say whether it was worth it How do you know any of the 49 will kill anyone, I said do us harm, there are many ways to do that without killing? They have all been returned and the only way they could stay is to process them. The woman still died a horrible death. So what harm are they going to do? - how can you make a judgement if you don't know what they are going to do? |
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Post by Orac on Mar 18, 2023 18:11:02 GMT
They don't need asylum from their own country if they are in France. You keep hitting the same wall here You are hitting the wall, they have a legal right to leave France and go to a country of their choice, why can you not acknowledge that? They don't have a legal right to enter the UK. Why are you having such difficulty with this? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 18, 2023 18:15:13 GMT
You are hitting the wall, they have a legal right to leave France and go to a country of their choice, why can you not acknowledge that? They don't have a legal right to enter the UK. Why are you having such difficulty with this? They have a legal right to cross our borders and apply for asylum. Why are you having difficulty with this? |
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Post by Orac on Mar 18, 2023 18:19:12 GMT
They don't have a legal right to enter the UK. Why are you having such difficulty with this? They have a legal right to cross our borders and apply for asylum. Why are you having difficulty with this? No they don't because they don't have a right to cross our borders. They would only have such a right if France were declared a dangerous nation / area. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 18:37:54 GMT
How do you know any of the 49 will kill anyone, I said do us harm, there are many ways to do that without killing? They have all been returned and the only way they could stay is to process them. The woman still died a horrible death. So what harm are they going to do? - how can you make a judgement if you don't know what they are going to do? Does it have to be a judgement. We did not find out if she was at risk of life and limb but we sent here back to torture, rape and death. Was it worth it. Don't forget this is the law that our government is trying to push through. |
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