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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 19, 2022 14:42:27 GMT
I think lowering the working hours has Red rum said will increase productivity Why the hell do you need a politician to tell you how long to work for? In a Chinese factory you decide. You can arrange to do a long shift each day or a short one. The factory does not care who does the work as long as there are people there doing it. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 19, 2022 14:45:19 GMT
So many jobs where this can’t possibly work .
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 19, 2022 14:51:13 GMT
So many jobs where this can’t possibly work . So if the jobs are varied why make them all 32 hours? It's the insanity of this thinking that gets me and I find it very unsurprising coming from a British political party. The world must think we are stupid. There are only two parties that have a concern in this: you the worker and the person or people employing you - so just come to a deal. If you can't come to a deal then move on and try somewhere else. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 19, 2022 15:09:56 GMT
So many jobs where this can’t possibly work . So if the jobs are varied why make them all 32 hours? It's the insanity of this thinking that gets me and I find it very unsurprising coming from a British political party. The world must think we are stupid. There are only two parties that have a concern in this: you the worker and the person or people employing you - so just come to a deal. If you can't come to a deal then move on and try somewhere else. If you are paid more per hour ( which this is) the unit costs rise drastically. How can this be possible? Jobs where this can’t possibly work, Bricklayer, care worker , Doctor , driver, assembly line worker , pilot, kitchen fitter, plumber , electrician , child minder, Store worker etc etc. In fact I’m not sure where this can work . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2022 16:11:53 GMT
There is evidence, by companies that have tried it, that a 32-hour working week increases productivity and increased productivity benefits the country. Are those against it part of the anti-growth coalition? Really? If productivity increases with reduced hours, then maybe we should try a 16 hour week. However, you remember those maths problems about "If it takes 3 men ta week to dig two holes, how many holes could one man dig in 6 weeks"? Yes, that sort of thing. Such as maths and logic usually works. 20% less time is likely to mean 20% less done. Don't listen to the BS. Mabe we should work 0 hours and create everything. Some people cannot see sense and some people ignore it. link |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 19, 2022 16:56:51 GMT
they have been forecasting that robots will take all the jobs for decades now and yet here we are with record numbers employed.. it's a bit like Elon Musk who every year keeps forecasting that 'next year' we will have fully autonomous cars on the roads - we just never seem to get to 'next year'.. I didn’t say all the jobs will go but that manufacturing requires less people is a fact of life,banking is going on line and in your local supermarket less manned checkouts and more serve yourself overseen by a single worker. Not saying it will happen overnight but it surely is increasing and it does need to be thought about. But what happens is that as some jobs disappear others are created - for instance when I grew up in the 60's we never had coffee shops full of Barista's - now we have half a dozen in every high street. We went from miserable twat in the corner shop to great call centres of people doing customer service to now only being able to talk to a robot on the phone - those people simple went into other jobs. |
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Post by petenz on Oct 19, 2022 17:04:10 GMT
But what happens is that as some jobs disappear others are created - for instance when I grew up in the 60's we never had coffee shops full of Barista's - now we have half a dozen in every high street. We went from miserable twat in the corner shop to great call centres of people doing customer service to now only being able to talk to a robot on the phone - those people simple went into other jobs. Do you really consider the introduction of coffee shops , staffed by people on minimum wage, is a step forward? And who says the people displaced by robot call centres went into other jobs? Perhaps they are among the many unemployed. Of course, they could have become baristas. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 19, 2022 17:24:22 GMT
But what happens is that as some jobs disappear others are created - for instance when I grew up in the 60's we never had coffee shops full of Barista's - now we have half a dozen in every high street. We went from miserable twat in the corner shop to great call centres of people doing customer service to now only being able to talk to a robot on the phone - those people simple went into other jobs. Do you really consider the introduction of coffee shops , staffed by people on minimum wage, is a step forward? And who says the people displaced by robot call centres went into other jobs? Perhaps they are among the many unemployed. Of course, they could have become baristas. Exactly - as one job came to an end other jobs were being created. Or perhaps you hanker after the good old days when we had tens of thousands of people underground digging coal out by hand? |
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Post by petenz on Oct 19, 2022 17:35:33 GMT
Exactly - as one job came to an end other jobs were being created. Or perhaps you hanker after the good old days when we had tens of thousands of people underground digging coal out by hand? Oddly enough, that's exactly what my family (on both sides) did until the closure of the local colliery in the mid 80's. They always had plenty of food on the table and were able to pay their rent and heat their homes and clothe themselves and their kids. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 19, 2022 17:42:36 GMT
Exactly - as one job came to an end other jobs were being created. Or perhaps you hanker after the good old days when we had tens of thousands of people underground digging coal out by hand? Oddly enough, that's exactly what my family (on both sides) did until the closure of the local colliery in the mid 80's. They always had plenty of food on the table and were able to pay their rent and heat their homes and clothe themselves and their kids. Going back to digging out coal is not something I would object to - however I suspect Greta might have something to say...  |
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Post by petenz on Oct 19, 2022 18:52:22 GMT
Since when has GT been dictating British Domestic Policy?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2022 20:14:20 GMT
They would probably do something like this in the public sector and just for votes, whilst the people who are actually contributing to the economy are taxed to death. I know the current Tories are a mess, but that's no reason to go insane.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 19, 2022 21:17:29 GMT
Since when has GT been dictating British Domestic Policy? probably since about 2018 and her attendance at COP24. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 19, 2022 21:31:16 GMT
So if the jobs are varied why make them all 32 hours? It's the insanity of this thinking that gets me and I find it very unsurprising coming from a British political party. The world must think we are stupid. There are only two parties that have a concern in this: you the worker and the person or people employing you - so just come to a deal. If you can't come to a deal then move on and try somewhere else. If you are paid more per hour ( which this is) the unit costs rise drastically. How can this be possible? Jobs where this can’t possibly work, Bricklayer, care worker , Doctor , driver, assembly line worker , pilot, kitchen fitter, plumber , electrician , child minder, Store worker etc etc. In fact I’m not sure where this can work . It can work for people who don't need so much money and are generally lazy. Also when you are a small employer and say have two staff and your sales gradually increase over time, you would find it uneconomic to employ someone full-time when there is only say 20 hour work needing doing. The most economic system of all is to have as much freedom as possible, so ideally you want the job to exactly match what the worker fancies doing. Some people like to have two jobs because they find it more interesting than doing the same thing all the time. Doing more variety makes people more intelligent as well and higher intelligence leads to less mistakes and better production. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 19, 2022 21:48:16 GMT
Do you really consider the introduction of coffee shops , staffed by people on minimum wage, is a step forward? And who says the people displaced by robot call centres went into other jobs? Perhaps they are among the many unemployed. Of course, they could have become baristas. Exactly - as one job came to an end other jobs were being created. Or perhaps you hanker after the good old days when we had tens of thousands of people underground digging coal out by hand? In places like Japan you can get robots serving you in coffee shops and bars. I'd say that would constitute a step forward. |
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