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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 11, 2023 19:25:03 GMT
There is a lot in science which is certain, as in most of fundamental physics. That's a throw-away comment.
I'm just providing a hypothesis here which is difficult to disprove, but admittedly difficult to prove as well. Even a simple system can exhibit complex behaviour, and this type of behaviour comes from the physical properties of the system itself. Some complex behaviour yields a fractal system. I posted a video on this in the Mind Zone but I doubt anyone here would be interested. These types of system are difficult to work with because the number of permutations exceeds our current computer abilities. It can be demonstrated in a simplified form on a computer though. Unfortunately, as it was with covid, the media debate is remedial. I think it does more harm than good sometimes. Covid by the way is another example of a complex system. Nature is full of them. The infection rates per county and per town and per street were a fractal. It made it indecipherable.
On a different thread I might well be interested in exploring the theory, (though you might be out of my league on fractal systems) but on here I am trying to stick to known facts and accepted science with its evidence. Well if we draw a parallel to the covid crisis, the so-called accepted science was very dated and I have a feeling it was pre-WW2 kind of protocols. These had been copied from textbook to textbook, student becomes teacher and passes it on down the line, not realising where the latest science is up to. So much of our system is like this. It may well have been considered correct when it was written, but ends up horribly wrong.
The problem here is weakness in maths. People are scared of it. It's such a powerful tool and in fact during the crisis of covid it was Neil Ferguson who knew his shit in the maths department and he was booted out. They ganged up on him. He was bloody right as well. I've just reviewed his early predictions and they are uncannily accurate! |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 11, 2023 19:25:29 GMT
I am aware of Professor Isobel Cacho's studies (Department of Earth and ocean dynamics University of Barcelona) I have posted links previously, many times previously. If you want more conclusive evidence I suggest you read a volume entitled 'Green Tyranny'. Will you read it? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 11, 2023 19:31:48 GMT
Industry has called for it. Industry calls for low tax and regulation, they don't get it. Oh for Christ sake ZG. In 2019 the CEC (China Electricity Council) recommended to the Chinese government that the number of new build coal fired power stations should be restricted to two a month until 2030. That's an extra 288 to add to the 1,182 they already have. ZG, the CEC is the Chinese government ffs. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 11, 2023 19:35:13 GMT
I am aware of Professor Isobel Cacho's studies (Department of Earth and ocean dynamics University of Barcelona) I have posted links previously, many times previously. If you want more conclusive evidence I suggest you read a volume entitled 'Green Tyranny'. Will you read it? Why do you choose 1 guy over the vast majority of scientific institutes from Australia to South Korea, Germany to China, all say the same. You want me to read an entire book? I only asked you to read one article. Two pages at most. Oh and on China. Imagine for a minute you are fright and china builds enough coal power stations to raise global temperatures by 2 degrees. What happens if the other 2/3rds of the worlds population does the same? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 11, 2023 19:39:53 GMT
Industry has called for it. Industry calls for low tax and regulation, they don't get it. Oh for Christ sake ZG. In 2019 the CEC (China Electricity Council) recommended to the Chinese government that the number of new build coal fired power stations should be restricted to two a month until 2030. That's an extra 288 to add to the 1,182 they already have. ZG, the CEC is the Chinese government ffs. How can the CEC recommend to the Chinese government if they are the Chinese government. The CEC also stalled production of power stations a few years back. But as I say. Imagine for a minute you are right and china builds enough coal power stations to raise global temperatures by 2 degrees. What happens if the other 2/3rds of the worlds population does the same? |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 11, 2023 19:39:55 GMT
I am aware of Professor Isobel Cacho's studies (Department of Earth and ocean dynamics University of Barcelona) I have posted links previously, many times previously. If you want more conclusive evidence I suggest you read a volume entitled 'Green Tyranny'. Will you read it? Why do you choose 1 guy over the vast majority of scientific institutes from Australia to South Korea, Germany to China, all say the same. You want me to read an entire book? I only asked you to read one article. Two pages at most. Oh and on China. Imagine for a minute you are fright and china builds enough coal power stations to raise global temperatures by 2 degrees. What happens if the other 2/3rds of the worlds population does the same? How many Chinese power stations would raise global temperatures by 2C? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 11, 2023 19:44:53 GMT
Why do you choose 1 guy over the vast majority of scientific institutes from Australia to South Korea, Germany to China, all say the same. You want me to read an entire book? I only asked you to read one article. Two pages at most. Oh and on China. Imagine for a minute you are fright and china builds enough coal power stations to raise global temperatures by 2 degrees. What happens if the other 2/3rds of the worlds population does the same? How many Chinese power stations would raise global temperatures by 2C? If you read the article Red linked, that's the claim Green peace are making. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 11, 2023 22:09:41 GMT
How many Chinese power stations would raise global temperatures by 2C? If you read the article Red linked, that's the claim Green peace are making. OK thanks, sorry missed that as I only dipping in on occasions. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 11, 2023 22:14:28 GMT
If you read the article Red linked, that's the claim Green peace are making. OK thanks, sorry missed that as I only dipping in on occasions. Of course. The article was directed at me, no reason for you to have read it.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 11, 2023 22:14:37 GMT
How many Chinese power stations would raise global temperatures by 2C? If you read the article Red linked, that's the claim Green peace are making. ZG, lefties don't generally diss Greenpeace, I mean which side of the fence are you on? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 11, 2023 22:19:29 GMT
If you read the article Red linked, that's the claim Green peace are making. ZG, lefties don't generally diss Greenpeace, I mean which side of the fence are you on? The truth. Always have been. Sure can make you unpopular at times  |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 11, 2023 22:22:05 GMT
ZG, lefties don't generally diss Greenpeace, I mean which side of the fence are you on? The truth. Always have been. Sure can make you unpopular at times So are Muslims, Jews, Christians and Aetheists. The problem of course is that all these truths are different. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 11, 2023 22:50:37 GMT
The truth. Always have been. Sure can make you unpopular at times So are Muslims, Jews, Christians and Aetheists. The problem of course is that all these truths are different. Same for yours I guess. But my truth is flexible unlike religious ones or yours? Mine changes by proof, science, persuasion. I believe I am pretty much alone on this site in changing my mind and seeking compromise. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 11, 2023 22:56:28 GMT
So are Muslims, Jews, Christians and Aetheists. The problem of course is that all these truths are different. Same for yours I guess. But my truth is flexible unlike religious ones or yours? Mine changes by proof, science, persuasion. I believe I am pretty much alone on this site in changing my mind and seeking compromise. I would not have thought so. Your compromise is insistent you are right whereas my compromise allows that I may be wrong |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 11, 2023 23:31:58 GMT
I am aware of Professor Isobel Cacho's studies (Department of Earth and ocean dynamics University of Barcelona) I have posted links previously, many times previously. If you want more conclusive evidence I suggest you read a volume entitled 'Green Tyranny'. Will you read it? Why do you choose 1 guy over the vast majority of scientific institutes from Australia to South Korea, Germany to China, all say the same. You want me to read an entire book? I only asked you to read one article. Two pages at most. Oh and on China. Imagine for a minute you are fright and china builds enough coal power stations to raise global temperatures by 2 degrees. What happens if the other 2/3rds of the worlds population does the same? The reasons China uses a lot of energy is it has a large population, more and more are coming down from the trees as it were and moving from a rural backwards poverty to earning good dollar so they can buy more. China is nearer the equator so most places have air conditioning and it manufactures a shit load for the rest of the world. They are having trouble keeping up with demand. Even if you look at the amount of air travel it is crazy how fast it increases. They built this mega airport called Daxing and even as they were building it, it became apparent they will need to build another as it too would exceed capacity. Looking at the current proportion of energy supplied by renewables it is still a tiny percentage. Coal is the lion's share. It's plentiful and cheap over there, similar to how coal was at the time of the industrial revolution, a no brainer as they say. |
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