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Post by sandypine on Mar 10, 2023 23:26:10 GMT
Just another humdrum day in the failed world of 'the science is settled'. I am not sure how many times a person can be hit over the head with the big book of facts and yet still manage to open his little book of AGM and say here it is in black and white. I suppose it takes a specific type of stubborn-ness to have such religious zealotry. Must feel that way to the person that thinks global warming means nice sunny days. In reality it means a huge warm anti cyclone in the Atlantic so large that its spin is sucking artic air far further south than normal causing blizzards in California and minus 6 and plus 11 on alternate days in the UK. But that's just cultist talk. Well it is cultist talk when you take one event, not an unprecedented event by any means, and talk it up as evidence of global warming as caused by man.You quoted a 17C change in temperature as something unusual for alternate days yet 20C in one day is a fairly regular occurrence in Spring and Autumn. I recall an Easter weekend in 1975 whereby there was heavy snow Saturday morning and we were sunbathing Sunday afternoon on the beach. What is 'normal' in weather and climate? Blizzards in Southern California are by no means unknown and once you get hold of one unusual event, and unusual events are the very stuff of weather, then Lo and Behold it is AGM. I have lived through at least twenty unusual, but not unprecedented, events, they happen because the weather and climate are fickle. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 10, 2023 23:39:13 GMT
Clutching at straws. Many more petrol ones got stuck. No EV's got stuck because of their batteries. Yes you are. That it. No challenging the facts, figures. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 10, 2023 23:41:10 GMT
Must feel that way to the person that thinks global warming means nice sunny days. In reality it means a huge warm anti cyclone in the Atlantic so large that its spin is sucking artic air far further south than normal causing blizzards in California and minus 6 and plus 11 on alternate days in the UK. But that's just cultist talk. Well it is cultist talk when you take one event, not an unprecedented event by any means, and talk it up as evidence of global warming as caused by man.You quoted a 17C change in temperature as something unusual for alternate days yet 20C in one day is a fairly regular occurrence in Spring and Autumn. I recall an Easter weekend in 1975 whereby there was heavy snow Saturday morning and we were sunbathing Sunday afternoon on the beach. What is 'normal' in weather and climate? Blizzards in Southern California are by no means unknown and once you get hold of one unusual event, and unusual events are the very stuff of weather, then Lo and Behold it is AGM. I have lived through at least twenty unusual, but not unprecedented, events, they happen because the weather and climate are fickle. The latest storm is not evidence of global warming, it is the result. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 10, 2023 23:43:39 GMT
That it. No challenging the facts, figures. What facts and figures. And why have you hijacked yet another thread on your own mislead vanity of owning an EV? |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 10, 2023 23:49:40 GMT
Only to be used when it snows, rains, sleets or the sun comes out...
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Post by Toreador on Mar 11, 2023 5:53:11 GMT
Well it is cultist talk when you take one event, not an unprecedented event by any means, and talk it up as evidence of global warming as caused by man.You quoted a 17C change in temperature as something unusual for alternate days yet 20C in one day is a fairly regular occurrence in Spring and Autumn. I recall an Easter weekend in 1975 whereby there was heavy snow Saturday morning and we were sunbathing Sunday afternoon on the beach. What is 'normal' in weather and climate? Blizzards in Southern California are by no means unknown and once you get hold of one unusual event, and unusual events are the very stuff of weather, then Lo and Behold it is AGM. I have lived through at least twenty unusual, but not unprecedented, events, they happen because the weather and climate are fickle. The latest storm is not evidence of global warming, it is the result. So was it global warming that brought 4" of snow at the very end of March 1963, if so, why doesn't it happen every year? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 11, 2023 8:32:45 GMT
That it. No challenging the facts, figures. What facts and figures. And why have you hijacked yet another thread on your own mislead vanity of owning an EV? Weird, you raised EV's getting stuck. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 11, 2023 8:43:37 GMT
Global warming is well evidenced from millions of readings from hundreds of scientific institutes. What caused snow historically can be looked up if people are interested. What's causing the unusual weather we have seen with ever increasing frequency is global warming. There's no need to hit the panic button unless of course Cyclone Freddy crosses the entire Indian ocean without losing power and hits your country with 100mph winds Freddy breaks another record as the longest lived cyclone ever. weather.com/storms/hurricane/video/freddy-hits-record-for-longest-lived-tropical-cyclone-on-approach-to |
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Post by Orac on Mar 11, 2023 8:53:30 GMT
Must feel that way to the person that thinks global warming means nice sunny days. In reality it means a huge warm anti cyclone in the Atlantic so large that its spin is sucking artic air far further south than normal causing blizzards in California and minus 6 and plus 11 on alternate days in the UK. But that's just cultist talk. What is 'normal' in weather and climate? Blizzards in Southern California are by no means unknown and once you get hold of one unusual event, and unusual events are the very stuff of weather, then Lo and Behold it is AGM. I have lived through at least twenty unusual, but not unprecedented, events, they happen because the weather and climate are fickle. Indeed. Weather is a long series of unprecedented events whose causes are only partially understood. Just like every snowflake is unique and its specific cause is only partially understood When any possible dataset confirms your theory, you have a duff (vacuous / unscientific) theory |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 11, 2023 9:06:50 GMT
However records are not constantly being broken without criticism of how those records come be measured and ever 'more frequent events' are not actually coming to pass. The models indicate this will happen but so far they have not. There are an awful lot of 'mays' and 'coulds' when discussing this. So we're back to claiming t he entire worlds scientific communities are wrong. And I see you're now claiming that "entire worlds scientific communities" believe in this CO2 induced climate change. It used to be just 95%.  And you've never actually found any justification for that claim. I've never heard a scientist make this claim. And you've never addressed the point about the "Early Twentieth Century Warming" which was almost exactly the same as the latest warming - but occurred without any significant increase in CO2. It came and went and now isn't even a blip on the graph. You don't seem to understand anything about science. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 11, 2023 10:13:43 GMT
What is 'normal' in weather and climate? Blizzards in Southern California are by no means unknown and once you get hold of one unusual event, and unusual events are the very stuff of weather, then Lo and Behold it is AGM. I have lived through at least twenty unusual, but not unprecedented, events, they happen because the weather and climate are fickle. Indeed. Weather is a long series of unprecedented events whose causes are only partially understood. Just like every snowflake is unique and its specific cause is only partially understood When any possible dataset confirms your theory, you have a duff (vacuous / unscientific) theory And the global warming we are recording at the moment is caused by things we don't understand, do me a favour. Oh, and name me a large continuous historical global weather event that remains unexplained. If we can explain events that happened thousands of years ago, we can certainly explain current ones. And you will have lived through at least 20 record breaking weather events in the last 3 years, and that's the point. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 11, 2023 11:36:59 GMT
Indeed. Weather is a long series of unprecedented events whose causes are only partially understood. Just like every snowflake is unique and its specific cause is only partially understood When any possible dataset confirms your theory, you have a duff (vacuous / unscientific) theory And the global warming we are recording at the moment is caused by things we don't understand, do me a favour. Oh, and name me a large continuous historical global weather event that remains unexplained. Zany, the issue i highlighted was you counting UK snow in March as symptomatic of the validity of your broader theory. You must now this is bad thinking. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 11, 2023 12:45:49 GMT
And the global warming we are recording at the moment is caused by things we don't understand, do me a favour. Oh, and name me a large continuous historical global weather event that remains unexplained. Zany, the issue i highlighted was you counting UK snow in March as symptomatic of the validity of your broader theory. You must now this is bad thinking. The issue is you thinking I was referring to snow in March rather than the reason we have it. But more importantly the reason we are seeing such massive swings in temperature on an almost daily basis. Minus 4 degrees one day and plus 11 degrees the next. It is also a failure on your part to recognise either the effects of this on nature or the frequency with which such anomalous events are happening. The fact the Nebraska desert snow melt used to last until August, but now is finished by April is annoying for visitors to Yosemite national park and difficult for California's water catchment, but its devastating for the wild life and the forests. I'm sure you can find a previous year when this ^^ has happened, but now its happening every year. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 11, 2023 13:29:26 GMT
The issue is you thinking I was referring to snow in March rather than the reason we have it. That's what I mean - bad thinking |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 11, 2023 14:09:54 GMT
The issue is you thinking I was referring to snow in March rather than the reason we have it. That's what I mean - bad thinking If this is all you can contribute I'll stop answering you. I would expect you to have atleast a basic knowledge about what's causing our unusual weather and why that's important before you claim its bad thinking. |
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And you've never actually found any justification for that claim. I've never heard a scientist make this claim. And you've never addressed the point about the "Early Twentieth Century Warming" which was almost exactly the same as the latest warming - but occurred without any significant increase in CO2. It came and went and now isn't even a blip on the graph.