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Post by borchester on Mar 5, 2023 18:51:07 GMT
I am thinking of writing an article on what would of happened if Harold II won at the Battle of Hastings and I am using Partygate as my inspiration.
All the documentation written prior to the Norman Conquest would fit into a modest tea chest, as opposed to the Tsunami of bumph produced as a result of Boris' Christmas bop.
And we still don't know what happened.
So that means that I spend many happy hours researching the matter and write whatever bollocks appeals to me because no one knows what really happened anyway  |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 5, 2023 18:53:03 GMT
I am thinking of writing an article on what would of happened if Harold II won at the Battle of Hastings and I am using Partygate as my inspiration.
All the documentation written prior to the Norman Conquest would fit into a modest tea chest, as opposed to the Tsunami of bumph produced as a result of Boris' Christmas bop.
And we still don't know what happened.
So that means that I spend many happy hours researching the matter and write whatever bollocks appeals to me because no one knows what really happened anyway And all at the same time as coping with the maths exam. |
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Post by bancroft on Mar 5, 2023 19:29:09 GMT
If the battle had been fought against William before the battle ofStamford Bridge, William loses.
Even after a nine hour fight he still could not cross the Thames yet went 40 miles East.
It was bad weather that stopped this happening sooner.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Mar 5, 2023 19:40:47 GMT
If Harold had won the Battle of Hastings the right of Saxon priests, monks, and nuns to marry would have not have been taken away from them. William apparently had the Pope's support because he promised to take away this right. The Norman conquest gave the Papacy effective control over the church in England. Later Norman kings came to regret this.
William also introduced Jewish money-lenders into the country ... which resulted in the rapid expansion of monasteries built with loans from them. The monasteries took over large areas of agricultural land that were formerly used by the peasantry ... who were kept in their place by castles ... also built with loans from the money-lenders.
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Post by borchester on Mar 5, 2023 20:02:52 GMT
If Harold had won the Battle of Hastings the right of Saxon priests, monks, and nuns to marry would have not have been taken away from them. William apparently had the Pope's support because he promised to take away this right. The Norman conquest gave the Papacy effective control over the church in England. Later Norman kings came to regret this. William also introduced Jewish money-lenders into the country ... which resulted in the rapid expansion of monasteries built with loans from them. The monasteries took over large areas of agricultural land that were formerly used by the peasantry ... who were kept in their place by castles ... also built with loans from the money-lenders. Actually castles were often meant to keep the barons under control.
It was not so bad in the days when they were built of wood and not much more than block houses, but a stone castle would cost a lot more and leave the local warlord seriously strapped for cash. So there was the king saying well my faithful subject, see the great honour I do you by allowing you to build a castle. And the baron would say God bless you Sire, while thinking shit, all that money I was going to spend on a rebellion will have to be pissed away on a pile of rock.
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Post by borchester on Mar 5, 2023 20:07:09 GMT
I am thinking of writing an article on what would of happened if Harold II won at the Battle of Hastings and I am using Partygate as my inspiration.
All the documentation written prior to the Norman Conquest would fit into a modest tea chest, as opposed to the Tsunami of bumph produced as a result of Boris' Christmas bop.
And we still don't know what happened.
So that means that I spend many happy hours researching the matter and write whatever bollocks appeals to me because no one knows what really happened anyway And all at the same time as coping with the maths exam. |
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Post by bancroft on Mar 5, 2023 20:07:11 GMT
Also the bible would have remained in old English rather than Latin introduced by the Normans. The site at Battle is not the site of the battle either the Abbey was built as recompense as the Pope lectured William about his treatment of the Anglo-Saxons and especially the harrying of the North. The real battlefield was close by at a different site and this is why it lasted 9 hours as it was a site specifically chosen to where the Norman cavalry could only attack from the front with even William losing three horses. This chaps is pushing English heritage to investigate www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYslFFKSNpk |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 5, 2023 21:56:48 GMT
The last time Boris arrived in Hasting he reckoned he could walk on water, that didn't work out so well, so he was last seen throwing bombs at the Russians and calling himself Napoleon.
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Post by borchester on Mar 6, 2023 17:32:04 GMT
Also the bible would have remained in old English rather than Latin introduced by the Normans. The site at Battle is not the site of the battle either the Abbey was built as recompense as the Pope lectured William about his treatment of the Anglo-Saxons and especially the harrying of the North. The real battlefield was close by at a different site and this is why it lasted 9 hours as it was a site specifically chosen to where the Norman cavalry could only attack from the front with even William losing three horses. This chaps is pushing English heritage to investigate www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYslFFKSNpkCould be, although there were so many English dialects that for a long time Latin was a convenient lingua franca
My main contention is that not a lot changed.
After he became king, William divided England up among 200 barons in Chief, which was a decent payoff but nothing like the earldoms of Morcar and Edwin.
And neither Morcar or Edwin showed up at Hastings.
So Harold would probably have thought right, you guys are getting to big for your boots, confiscated their estates, chopped them up into smaller units and shared them out among his followers. So however feudalism is defined, both Harold and William would have done the same thing. .
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Post by patman post on Mar 6, 2023 17:56:14 GMT
Also the bible would have remained in old English rather than Latin introduced by the Normans. The site at Battle is not the site of the battle either the Abbey was built as recompense as the Pope lectured William about his treatment of the Anglo-Saxons and especially the harrying of the North. The real battlefield was close by at a different site and this is why it lasted 9 hours as it was a site specifically chosen to where the Norman cavalry could only attack from the front with even William losing three horses. This chaps is pushing English heritage to investigate www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYslFFKSNpkCould be, although there were so many English dialects that for a long time Latin was a convenient lingua franca
My main contention is that not a lot changed.
After he became king, William divided England up among 200 barons in Chief, which was a decent payoff but nothing like the earldoms of Morcar and Edwin.
And neither Morcar or Edwin showed up at Hastings.
So Harold would probably have thought right, you guys are getting to big for your boots, confiscated their estates, chopped them up into smaller units and shared them out among his followers. So however feudalism is defined, both Harold and William would have done the same thing. . The Border Force Handbook had obviously already been compiled… |
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Post by borchester on Mar 6, 2023 18:03:52 GMT
Could be, although there were so many English dialects that for a long time Latin was a convenient lingua franca
My main contention is that not a lot changed.
After he became king, William divided England up among 200 barons in Chief, which was a decent payoff but nothing like the earldoms of Morcar and Edwin.
And neither Morcar or Edwin showed up at Hastings.
So Harold would probably have thought right, you guys are getting to big for your boots, confiscated their estates, chopped them up into smaller units and shared them out among his followers. So however feudalism is defined, both Harold and William would have done the same thing. . The Border Force Handbook had obviously already been compiled… Sort of.
If some sort of West Indian/ Norwegian pitched up the usual response was well, if you want to be here and can make a go of it then good luck. But if you try to make a career out of being a victim then the best idea will be for you to fuck off to somewhere folk won't be so horrible to you.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 7, 2023 10:55:23 GMT
Also the bible would have remained in old English rather than Latin introduced by the Normans. The site at Battle is not the site of the battle either the Abbey was built as recompense as the Pope lectured William about his treatment of the Anglo-Saxons and especially the harrying of the North. The real battlefield was close by at a different site and this is why it lasted 9 hours as it was a site specifically chosen to where the Norman cavalry could only attack from the front with even William losing three horses. This chaps is pushing English heritage to investigate www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYslFFKSNpkCould be, although there were so many English dialects that for a long time Latin was a convenient lingua franca
My main contention is that not a lot changed.
After he became king, William divided England up among 200 barons in Chief, which was a decent payoff but nothing like the earldoms of Morcar and Edwin.
And neither Morcar or Edwin showed up at Hastings.
So Harold would probably have thought right, you guys are getting to big for your boots, confiscated their estates, chopped them up into smaller units and shared them out among his followers. So however feudalism is defined, both Harold and William would have done the same thing. .
Harold rushed back to London after Stamford Bridge leaving behind his foot soldiers and wounded. The Normans had landed in his own backyard and were torturing his own men in the small garrisons like Dover. Despite protestations from his family to wait Harold was determined to fight straight away. He might have pulled it off yet late on Harold charges yet not all follow. If they did perhaps it would be different or most certainly if he had waited months to bring up a larger army. We know over a 1,000 escaped as they returned a year later and took Exeter and William went to meet them. Now why Exeter? It does not make sense they must have been blown off course because most of their support was in Sussex, Surrey and Kent. They had hoped to emulate Alfred and raise the country yet Exeter was too remote. In the end an agreement was reached and they withdrew never to surface again in English politics. |
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