|
|
Post by oracle75 on Mar 5, 2023 13:47:18 GMT
The party that created and brought you Brexit is being exposed like the layers of an onion to reveal the government to be by far the most arrogant, self aggrandising, self seeking, slimy, lying, manipulating, authoritarian, infantile, intellectually challenged pieces of detritus in British history.
Not 3rd world history...it is normal there.
But in a country previously respected around the civilised world for honour, duty, democracy, keeping one's word, respecting the rule of law and originator of a lot of international law, I would never have thought that a bunch of political punks and skinheads could be "elected" to run the UK. And leave it in the hands of the chief nincampoop who ran it like an act of the dying of the Roman Empire.
Brexit was the start, when they convinced the country it was in better hands when the reins of international agreement were let go. The UK was theirs to play with.
The lunatics took over the asylum and it is now for the adults to tidy up the mess they left.
As for being able to vote them out of office when we want, what's stopping us?
|
|
|
|
Post by Bentley on Mar 5, 2023 13:49:53 GMT
Nothing .
|
|
|
|
Post by Hutchyns on Mar 5, 2023 16:05:08 GMT
There may well have been several decades of complacency when the UK electorate felt that voting in General Elections had diminished in importance, given the European Union's overarching control as regard legislation, rules and dictats.
Has a greater sense of seriousness gripped us all as regards the greater adverse consequences of putting the wrong set of lunatics in charge of 'Asylum UK' ? 'Not noticeably', would be my opinion, although in fairness the great British public haven't elected Rishi Sunak, and nor can they currently remove him, yet he has no qualms about instigating major agreements with leading Eurocrats on our behalf.
But yes, there is an option to change the administration when election time comes round. The result of the change might only allow us to experience what seems like more of the same, with the replacements providing no obvious improvement. Starmer proving to be continuity Sunak needs to prompt the electorate to demand an upheaval in British politics that gives us the conditions to allow for real alternatives, new ideas, and new solutions to be laid out and given a proper hearing .... and not just the same old 'safe' political voices that big media gives a regular platform to.
A proper grasp of the problems, and the need to sweep away our current set of failed politicians in order to solve them, needs to be the first step. The people of Europe need to take similar action. Otherwise the future of Western Europe looks to be particularly bleak.
|
|
|
|
Post by Bentley on Mar 5, 2023 17:42:13 GMT
The party that created and brought you Brexit is being exposed like the layers of an onion to reveal the government to be by far the most arrogant, self aggrandising, self seeking, slimy, lying, manipulating, authoritarian, infantile, intellectually challenged pieces of detritus in British history. Not 3rd world history...it is normal there. But in a country previously respected around the civilised world for honour, duty, democracy, keeping one's word, respecting the rule of law and originator of a lot of international law, I would never have thought that a bunch of political punks and skinheads could be "elected" to run the UK. And leave it in the hands of the chief nincampoop who ran it like an act of the dying of the Roman Empire. Brexit was the start, when they convinced the country it was in better hands when the reins of international agreement were let go. The UK was theirs to play with. The lunatics took over the asylum and it is now for the adults to tidy up the mess they left. As for being able to vote them out of office when we want, what's stopping us? Other version of history are available.👍 |
|
|
|
Post by oracle75 on Mar 5, 2023 18:13:13 GMT
Having listened to the Tory party since 2019, i am having trouble thinking of anything it has done to improve the country in ways that benefit the people.
Health?
Education?
Social benefits?
Even the great Tory mantra of lower taxes and less government has landed on its arse.
And i have to say that they have mishandled both Covid and Inflation to the extent that the people of the UK are feeling far more poor than in any other western country.
Although I of course realise the twin challenges of covid and inglation, i hear nothing about issues that need addressing OTHER THAN how to stop small boats from rocking up onto the UK shores.
Tories are very good at looking after themselves and each other and seem to spend huge amounts of time doing so.
But when it comes to looking after the country, they dont have a clue.
Example...Matt Hancock. Idiot in chief who is up front and centre for his handling of covid lockdown and SIR Gavin Williamson, who opens and closes all national schools faster than a magician flips a card over.
But besides all that, WHERE IS THE GOVERNING OF THE COUNTRY POST COVID?
What are they doing to make the country better , god knows it needs it.
Life would be better run by those Apes of movie fame.
Finally I read they are going to repeal xxxx's of EU laws.
And nothing about what they will be replaced with. Laws about water quality are already being ignored.
Looks like the collapse of a law abiding country with an open door to smuggling of all kinds through the Irish mishmash.
|
|
|
|
Post by wapentake on Mar 5, 2023 23:49:26 GMT
The party that created and brought you Brexit is being exposed like the layers of an onion to reveal the government to be by far the most arrogant, self aggrandising, self seeking, slimy, lying, manipulating, authoritarian, infantile, intellectually challenged pieces of detritus in British history. Not 3rd world history...it is normal there. But in a country previously respected around the civilised world for honour, duty, democracy, keeping one's word, respecting the rule of law and originator of a lot of international law, I would never have thought that a bunch of political punks and skinheads could be "elected" to run the UK. And leave it in the hands of the chief nincampoop who ran it like an act of the dying of the Roman Empire. Brexit was the start, when they convinced the country it was in better hands when the reins of international agreement were let go. The UK was theirs to play with. The lunatics took over the asylum and it is now for the adults to tidy up the mess they left. As for being able to vote them out of office when we want, what's stopping us? But apart from that you’re quite happy?  Sorry! It’s not just the tories though is it? Westminster has been something of a asylum for decades where the inmates don’t just run that place but the country too allegedly. |
|
|
|
Post by oracle75 on Mar 6, 2023 8:10:59 GMT
But the country is suppposed to be a supple streamlined unadulterated democracy, unencumbered by outside considerations, able to respond to its captive citizenry.
So when is it going to start governing???
The only thing it does is publish useless legislation about small boats while serious crime is up, schools are crumbling, people are living in black mould and buckets to catch the leaks in ceilings, dirty water, lack of funding for local authorities and dying town centres. Longer NHS waiting lists, strikes across the public sector and far too many vacancies unfilled.
There is no reason why much of this could not be dealt with even though serious isssues needed to be dealt with.
What was this about "we can get rid of politicians when we want". Are you telling me all this is acceptable?
|
|
|
|
Post by wapentake on Mar 6, 2023 9:34:09 GMT
But the country is suppposed to be a supple streamlined unadulterated democracy, unencumbered by outside considerations, able to respond to its captive citizenry. So when is it going to start governing? Who told you that? Westminster has long lived in a world of its own where the old,the sick lame and useless are sent to a comfy club with a nice income,subsidised restaurant and bars and a warm chamber where you can rest your head for a doze immune to the cost of living no energy criss for them and despite repeated promises of reform the numbers of lords grow. You can also secure a comfortable income heading up the various quangos that only require a few days a year of your time. The lower chamber isn’t that much better though there are those there who really want to do what is require. It seems by recent revelations what happens imirrors much of the rest of society and a love of social media it’s business by a WhatsApp group. Well TBF much of the population is concerned by illegal channel crossings,this is only the beginning though and as world food shortages increase and the understandable desire for a better life then movement of people will increase. No it’s not acceptable we are governed without thought for the long term. Just my opinion but we need a new voting system,wholesale change at Westminster but not by civil disorder. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2023 12:34:37 GMT
As for being able to vote them out of office when we want, what's stopping us? The lack of a much better alternative under our FPTP system? |
|
|
|
Post by borchester on Mar 7, 2023 3:08:21 GMT
The party that created and brought you Brexit is being exposed like the layers of an onion to reveal the government to be by far the most arrogant, self aggrandising, self seeking, slimy, lying, manipulating, authoritarian, infantile, intellectually challenged pieces of detritus in British history. Not 3rd world history...it is normal there. But in a country previously respected around the civilised world for honour, duty, democracy, keeping one's word, respecting the rule of law and originator of a lot of international law, I would never have thought that a bunch of political punks and skinheads could be "elected" to run the UK. And leave it in the hands of the chief nincampoop who ran it like an act of the dying of the Roman Empire. Brexit was the start, when they convinced the country it was in better hands when the reins of international agreement were let go. The UK was theirs to play with. The lunatics took over the asylum and it is now for the adults to tidy up the mess they left. As for being able to vote them out of office when we want, what's stopping us? Actually, the death throes of the Roman Empire lasted 1460 years, so I imagine that it will be some time before the Janissaries start climbing the walls. |
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Mar 7, 2023 7:58:00 GMT
The party that created and brought you Brexit is being exposed like the layers of an onion to reveal the government to be by far the most arrogant, self aggrandising, self seeking, slimy, lying, manipulating, authoritarian, infantile, intellectually challenged pieces of detritus in British history. Not 3rd world history...it is normal there. But in a country previously respected around the civilised world for honour, duty, democracy, keeping one's word, respecting the rule of law and originator of a lot of international law, I would never have thought that a bunch of political punks and skinheads could be "elected" to run the UK. And leave it in the hands of the chief nincampoop who ran it like an act of the dying of the Roman Empire. Brexit was the start, when they convinced the country it was in better hands when the reins of international agreement were let go. The UK was theirs to play with. The lunatics took over the asylum and it is now for the adults to tidy up the mess they left. As for being able to vote them out of office when we want, what's stopping us? Actually, the death throes of the Roman Empire lasted 1460 years, so I imagine that it will be some time before the Janissaries start climbing the walls. Did it? Thats some interpretation. When is the british empire returning borkie? Its now 2023 , brexit vote was 7 years ago with the official leaving for most but not all of the uk three years ago.
Instead of the dreams of sending gun boats up the seine ( when the engines work) or the pillaging of mumbai and kolkata , so far we have no tomatoes , energy prices through the roof and people freezing to death , damaged economy , new prime ministers in westminster every five minutes , international ridicule , northern ireland being given away by the last three uk prime ministers , some brexiters begging norway to allow the uk into EFTA , i mean i could go on but you get the gist.
I agree with most of what oracle75 has written.
Thirteen years the tories have been in charge , and so far, rather than emulating the feats of your grandfathers and betters , they have managed to turn the yookay from a declining regional power into western europes banana republic , with tory brexiters themselves regularly criticising your government.
|
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Mar 7, 2023 11:54:54 GMT
As for being able to vote them out of office when we want, what's stopping us? The lack of a much better alternative under our FPTP system? PR would be good. Mind you, FPTP kept the BNP out of any seats in the 1990's and 2000's. |
|
|
|
Post by Red Rackham on Mar 8, 2023 11:01:04 GMT
The party that created and brought you Brexit is being exposed like the layers of an onion to reveal the government to be by far the most arrogant, self aggrandising, self seeking, slimy, lying, manipulating, authoritarian, infantile, intellectually challenged pieces of detritus in British history. Not 3rd world history...it is normal there. But in a country previously respected around the civilised world for honour, duty, democracy, keeping one's word, respecting the rule of law and originator of a lot of international law, I would never have thought that a bunch of political punks and skinheads could be "elected" to run the UK. And leave it in the hands of the chief nincampoop who ran it like an act of the dying of the Roman Empire. Brexit was the start, when they convinced the country it was in better hands when the reins of international agreement were let go. The UK was theirs to play with. The lunatics took over the asylum and it is now for the adults to tidy up the mess they left. As for being able to vote them out of office when we want, what's stopping us? You seem to be forgetting something. The party you so denigrate is also the party who handed the UK to the EU, without a referendum. |
|
|
|
Post by bancroft on Mar 8, 2023 14:23:38 GMT
There are very different versions of PR too broad to say it would be better.
|
|
|
|
Post by Red Rackham on Mar 8, 2023 15:38:35 GMT
There may well have been several decades of complacency when the UK electorate felt that voting in General Elections had diminished in importance, given the European Union's overarching control as regard legislation, rules and dictats. Has a greater sense of seriousness gripped us all as regards the greater adverse consequences of putting the wrong set of lunatics in charge of 'Asylum UK' 'Not noticeably', would be my opinion, although in fairness the great British public haven't elected Rishi Sunak, and nor can they currently remove him, yet he has no qualms about instigating major agreements with leading Eurocrats on our behalf. But yes, there is an option to change the administration when election time comes round. The result of the change might only allow us to experience what seems like more of the same, with the replacements providing no obvious improvement. Starmer proving to be continuity Sunak needs to prompt the electorate to demand an upheaval in British politics that gives us the conditions to allow for real alternatives, new ideas, and new solutions to be laid out and given a proper hearing .... and not just the same old 'safe' political voices that big media gives a regular platform to. A proper grasp of the problems, and the need to sweep away our current set of failed politicians in order to solve them, needs to be the first step. The people of Europe need to take similar action. Otherwise the future of Western Europe looks to be particularly bleak. Interesting avatar, personally I prefer the deco look. Welcome to the forum Hutchyns. What if anything is your connection to Taggart?  |
|
