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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 25, 2023 18:56:53 GMT
Dutch farmers protesting over government policies and rising “agflation” destroying their businesses have spread to more European countries. Last year, the Dutch government announced plans for a £22bn programme to cut nitrogen emissions by 50% by 2030, to comply with EU regulations on nitrate pollution. In some areas, emissions cuts of 70% or more may be required. As well as The Netherlands, farmers in the EU states of France, Germany, Poland, Italy and Spain are protesting against EU policy destroying their businesses and livelihoods. www.fwi.co.uk/news/environment/dutch-farmer-protests-against-emissions-cuts-spread-across-euProbably because of Brexit... |
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Post by Orac on Feb 25, 2023 19:15:09 GMT
It's an attempt to prevent food independence. All communities have to be dependent and therefore pliant.
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Post by Vinny on Feb 25, 2023 19:40:05 GMT
Netherlands tomato farms haven't been producing lately either.
EU policy is having a shit effect on agricultural production.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 25, 2023 19:52:05 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 25, 2023 19:59:47 GMT
Netherlands tomato farms haven't been producing lately either. EU policy is having a shit effect on agricultural production. Due to rising energy prices, European greenhouse growers from as far afield as the Netherlands and Sweden are making the decision not to grow overwintered heated and lit crops, such as tomatoes. hortnews.com/european-greenhouse-growers-skip-winter-production/Renewable energy in the EU too expensive for fruit & veg growers. I'm betting this is somehow because of Brexit, lol. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 25, 2023 20:06:56 GMT
It's an attempt to prevent food independence. All communities have to be dependent and therefore pliant. That may be more accurate than most people, certainly most €urophiles would be willing to admit. But it's the way the EU works, everything is regulated and centralised. Which reminds me about something, there's something nagging in the back of my mind about... ahh yes, that's it, communism. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 25, 2023 20:42:37 GMT
It's an attempt to prevent food independence. All communities have to be dependent and therefore pliant. That may be more accurate than most people, certainly most €urophiles would be willing to admit. But it's the way the EU works, everything is regulated and centralised. Which reminds me about something, there's something nagging in the back of my mind about... ahh yes, that's it, communism. It's a similar story here, I'm afraid. As Pacifica poetically puts it, how can an island made of coal amid a sea of oil end up with energy supply problems? What sort of heaving anus would hamper our own manufacturing sector in name of reducing emissions, but, at the same time , open us up to Chinese suppliers, thus ensuring that the only net result was the total decimation and permanent hobbling of our own industry? It all seems really perverse and bizarre until you look at it from the perspective of political power. If we are able to fend for ourselves by ourselves what need would we have for a giant, multi-layered monolith of bureaucrats and various political classes? This are cementing their power over us by sabotaging and hobbling us - what other means do they have? They don't have anything to actually offer  |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 25, 2023 21:06:54 GMT
That may be more accurate than most people, certainly most €urophiles would be willing to admit. But it's the way the EU works, everything is regulated and centralised. Which reminds me about something, there's something nagging in the back of my mind about... ahh yes, that's it, communism. It's a similar story here, I'm afraid. As Pacifica poetically puts it, how can an island made of coal amid a sea of oil end up with energy supply problems? What sort of heaving anus would hamper our own manufacturing sector in name of reducing emissions, but, at the same time , open us up to Chinese suppliers, thus ensuring that the only net result was the total decimation and permanent hobbling of our own industry? It all seems really perverse and bizarre until you look at it from the perspective of political power. If we are able to fend for ourselves by ourselves what need would we have for a giant, multi-layered monolith of bureaucrats and various political classes? This are cementing their power over us by sabotaging and hobbling us - what other means do they have? They don't have anything to actually offer Apparently since the vaccine birth rates have fallen off a cliff in many Western countries. It seems they do not need all of us just the right number of consumers. The most worrying aspect is if it is planned that we all live in perfect 15 minute cities where everything is within easy reach and we have no need to travel then we have to look at the track record of the political and elite classes to consider whether they are capable of supplying that. I would say definitely not and the 15 minute cities will be a means to contain unrest and division as opposed to a benefit to the populace. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 25, 2023 21:22:33 GMT
It's a similar story here, I'm afraid. As Pacifica poetically puts it, how can an island made of coal amid a sea of oil end up with energy supply problems? What sort of heaving anus would hamper our own manufacturing sector in name of reducing emissions, but, at the same time , open us up to Chinese suppliers, thus ensuring that the only net result was the total decimation and permanent hobbling of our own industry? It all seems really perverse and bizarre until you look at it from the perspective of political power. If we are able to fend for ourselves by ourselves what need would we have for a giant, multi-layered monolith of bureaucrats and various political classes? This are cementing their power over us by sabotaging and hobbling us - what other means do they have? They don't have anything to actually offer That's quite good, " how can an island made of coal amid a sea of oil end up with energy supply problems", it's also such an obvious question. Eco mentalists don't seem to have noticed that we are a tiny island who discovered the rest of the world, and these days increasingly depend on China, a coal based economy for cheap goods that last five minutes which are replaced by more cheap Chinese tat. Chinese wind turbine blades and solar panels are the cheapest in the world and the Chinese cant make them fast enough, and all from coal powered electricity. When will the penny drop, indeed will the penny drop. We may end up with a global government who issue diktats from Davos, appointed not elected of course, much like the EU Commission who govern not by consensus but as you say, by hobbling us, bit by bit so we don't really notice, until it's too late. God this is depressing. I may have to watch some Ricky Gervais on YouTube. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 25, 2023 21:32:11 GMT
It's a similar story here, I'm afraid. As Pacifica poetically puts it, how can an island made of coal amid a sea of oil end up with energy supply problems? What sort of heaving anus would hamper our own manufacturing sector in name of reducing emissions, but, at the same time , open us up to Chinese suppliers, thus ensuring that the only net result was the total decimation and permanent hobbling of our own industry? It all seems really perverse and bizarre until you look at it from the perspective of political power. If we are able to fend for ourselves by ourselves what need would we have for a giant, multi-layered monolith of bureaucrats and various political classes? This are cementing their power over us by sabotaging and hobbling us - what other means do they have? They don't have anything to actually offer Apparently since the vaccine birth rates have fallen off a cliff in many Western countries. It seems they do not need all of us just the right number of consumers. The most worrying aspect is if it is planned that we all live in perfect 15 minute cities where everything is within easy reach and we have no need to travel then we have to look at the track record of the political and elite classes to consider whether they are capable of supplying that. I would say definitely not and the 15 minute cities will be a means to contain unrest and division as opposed to a benefit to the populace. Tor, I agree - I don't think any of it is designed to 'work'. The Ev project isn't designed to replace IC cars with ev cars. The idea is, by a process of elimination, to deprive people of the independence and power of personal transportation while telling them something else entirely is going to happen. The 15 minute neighbourhood thing is an extension (leverage) of the lockdown psychology. The idea is to get you used to the notion that you can't expect to be able to just do what you want, you have to instead check you are allowed first. You want to cross a road and go to pub? Have you checked your travel ration? Is the journey really necessary? Please check before you set off. I also feel the smoking ban was probably designed to restrict courtship to the internet by closing a large segment of the kind of public meeting spaces in which people could just hang about chatting with no purpose. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 26, 2023 0:59:13 GMT
Dutch farmers protesting over government policies and rising “agflation” destroying their businesses have spread to more European countries. Last year, the Dutch government announced plans for a £22bn programme to cut nitrogen emissions by 50% by 2030, to comply with EU regulations on nitrate pollution. In some areas, emissions cuts of 70% or more may be required. As well as The Netherlands, farmers in the EU states of France, Germany, Poland, Italy and Spain are protesting against EU policy destroying their businesses and livelihoods. www.fwi.co.uk/news/environment/dutch-farmer-protests-against-emissions-cuts-spread-across-euProbably because of Brexit... We've done this before NOx kills, the EU allows the Netherlands to decide how to reduce it. As a sovereign nation they've decided to act on one of the causes: reckless agriculture Are you saying it's wrong for the Netherlands to have this sovereignty? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 26, 2023 1:17:40 GMT
Dutch farmers protesting over government policies and rising “agflation” destroying their businesses have spread to more European countries. Last year, the Dutch government announced plans for a £22bn programme to cut nitrogen emissions by 50% by 2030, to comply with EU regulations on nitrate pollution. In some areas, emissions cuts of 70% or more may be required. As well as The Netherlands, farmers in the EU states of France, Germany, Poland, Italy and Spain are protesting against EU policy destroying their businesses and livelihoods. www.fwi.co.uk/news/environment/dutch-farmer-protests-against-emissions-cuts-spread-across-euProbably because of Brexit... We've done this before NOx kills, the EU allows the Netherlands to decide how to reduce it. As a sovereign nation they've decided to act on one of the causes: reckless agriculture Are you saying it's wrong for the Netherlands to have this sovereignty? LOL, no I honestly mean 'laugh out loud' oh boy. Steve, I mean it's not even a good attempt. If your going to wind me up at least put a bit of effort into it. |
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Post by bancroft on Mar 5, 2023 19:52:57 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Mar 7, 2023 8:27:15 GMT
Dutch farmers have farmed cattle for centuries.
The big thing in modern times has been the common agricultural policy and the effect of it upon hedgerows. Go to the continent and large farms stretch for miles without a hedgerow in sight.
The CAP has been a dreadful thing for ecology.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 9, 2023 19:43:43 GMT
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