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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2023 8:08:15 GMT
NOT......Five EU countries undermining NATO by continuing to fund Russian economy Story by Alessandra Scotto di Santolo • Yesterday
Five EUSSR countries are still importing goods from Russia, increasing their business with Moscow by more than 50 percent since the beginning of the war on Ukraine. The EUSSR has imposed a series of sanctions packages since Vladimir Putin's decision to invade Kyiv one year ago. But despite Brussels' efforts to cut ties with Putin's regime, some in the bloc are still reluctant to follow suit and show Ukraine their utmost support.
Hungarian PM Orban Holds State Of The Nation Speech
Imports from Russia to Slovenia, Bulgaria, Spain, Hungary and Greece were as much as 250 percent higher compared to November last year.
According to The Telegraph, Hungary's imports from Russia hit 262 percent above a three-year average in November 2022.
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has been Putin's closest ally in the EU, showing the least amount of military support to Ukraine in the bloc.
He has often lobbied against sanctions on Moscow, refused to send weapons to Ukraine and held up an aid package from the bloc for Kyiv.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 14:28:37 GMT
Shows what an oxymoron European UNION is, doesn't it?
Slovenia, Bulgaria, Hungary were not too much of a surprise. However, Spain and Greece are not ex-Soviet bloc types at all.
Putin will be so pleased he is showing cracks in the "Union".
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Post by Toreador on Feb 23, 2023 15:19:46 GMT
Shows what an oxymoron European UNION is, doesn't it? Slovenia, Bulgaria, Hungary were not too much of a surprise. However, Spain and Greece are not ex-Soviet bloc types at all. Putin will be so pleased he is showing cracks in the "Union". It's also true that there's some EU disappointment by East Europeans with the EU, particularly Hungary. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 25, 2023 8:06:39 GMT
Shows what an oxymoron European UNION is, doesn't it? Slovenia, Bulgaria, Hungary were not too much of a surprise. However, Spain and Greece are not ex-Soviet bloc types at all. Putin will be so pleased he is showing cracks in the "Union". No. It shows that member states of the EU can make up their own minds. The EU cannot forbid trade with its agreed trading partners. It can merely suggest that countries support a voluntary set of sanctions. Otherwise, any of the 130 plus WTO members can trade with whomever they have deals. The EU members have made China one of its largest trading partners and China isn't culturally compatible with the EU. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2023 10:10:07 GMT
Shows what an oxymoron European UNION is, doesn't it? Slovenia, Bulgaria, Hungary were not too much of a surprise. However, Spain and Greece are not ex-Soviet bloc types at all. Putin will be so pleased he is showing cracks in the "Union". No. It shows that member states of the EU can make up their own minds. The EU cannot forbid trade with its agreed trading partners. It can merely suggest that countries support a voluntary set of sanctions. Otherwise, any of the 130 plus WTO members can trade with whomever they have deals. The EU members have made China one of its largest trading partners and China isn't culturally compatible with the EU. You've totally missed the point for the sake of so called Unity. This is about Russians sanctions, not cultural differences. Buck up. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 25, 2023 10:24:57 GMT
My post already dealt with EU sanctions. They are not obligatory.
Because members are sovereign. A voluntary alliance.
I mentioned culture because until very recently the Eastern members were under Soviet Control and many still feel pulled in that direction.
Orban is one of those and has often countered EU policy.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 25, 2023 10:56:28 GMT
My post already dealt with EU sanctions. They are not obligatory. Because members are sovereign. A voluntary alliance. I mentioned culture because until very recently the Eastern members were under Soviet Control and many still feel pulled in that direction. Orban is one of those and has often countered EU policy. Christ almighty, not again. How many times must you be told, EU member states are not sovereign states. See EU Communities Act, or The Treaty of Lisbon, both spell out the Primacy of EU Law which clearly states... Where a conflict arises between an aspect of EU law and an aspect of law in an EU Member State (national law), EU law will prevail. If this were not the case, Member States could simply allow their national laws to take precedence over primary or secondary EU legislation, and the pursuit of EU policies would become unworkable.How can any country or state claim to be sovereign when their governments and laws can be overruled by some higher authority? Anyone who seriously thinks EU states are sovereign, is either ignorant or in denial. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 25, 2023 11:14:57 GMT
And those who think it isn't a collection of volunteers allies each having an elected voice and a huge range of issues NOT touched by the EU, including defence, woefully unaware of the limits of the EU.
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 25, 2023 11:55:57 GMT
The thread title could just as easily have been a sarcastic 'Good to see Nato countries pulling together'
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 25, 2023 11:57:15 GMT
My post already dealt with EU sanctions. They are not obligatory. Because members are sovereign. A voluntary alliance. I mentioned culture because until very recently the Eastern members were under Soviet Control and many still feel pulled in that direction. Orban is one of those and has often countered EU policy. Christ almighty, not again. How many times must you be told, EU member states are not sovereign states. See EU Communities Act, or The Treaty of Lisbon, both spell out the Primacy of EU Law which clearly states... Where a conflict arises between an aspect of EU law and an aspect of law in an EU Member State (national law), EU law will prevail. If this were not the case, Member States could simply allow their national laws to take precedence over primary or secondary EU legislation, and the pursuit of EU policies would become unworkable.How can any country or state claim to be sovereign when their governments and laws can be overruled by some higher authority? Anyone who seriously thinks EU states are sovereign, is either ignorant or in denial. Member states are sovereign. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2023 15:14:37 GMT
The thread title could just as easily have been a sarcastic 'Good to see Nato countries pulling together' The Queen of the state of Wotabowtry posts again. It's about the EU and sanctions. They are not keeping to them, because they are not unified with the EU. Thus my point it is a Union in name, but theirs no love lost between some of the member states. Take Greece and Germany for example. |
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 25, 2023 15:26:16 GMT
The thread title could just as easily have been a sarcastic 'Good to see Nato countries pulling together' The Queen of the state of Wotabowtry posts again. It's about the EU and sanctions. They are not keeping to them, because they are not unified with the EU. Thus my point it is a Union in name, but theirs no love lost between some of the member states. Take Greece and Germany for example. r You may have missed the whole point of the EU. The EU was established precisely because there has historically been no love lost between its members. The fact that Europeans don't seem to be able to get along is its entire raison d'etre. Saying that its members are divided on such or such an issue is not an argument against the EU, it is an argument for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2023 15:32:08 GMT
Well, if they want "ever closer union" they shouldn't have taken on Eastern European states with cultures unlike Western European States. This disparity is likely to end in a split or restructuring as time goes on.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 25, 2023 15:32:13 GMT
The Queen of the state of Wotabowtry posts again. It's about the EU and sanctions. They are not keeping to them, because they are not unified with the EU. Thus my point it is a Union in name, but theirs no love lost between some of the member states. Take Greece and Germany for example. r You may have missed the whole point of the EU. The EU was established precisely because there has historically been no love lost between its members. The fact that Europeans don't seem to be able to get along is its entire raison d'etre. Saying that its members are divided on such or such an issue is not an argument against the EU, it is an argument for it. EUSSR's response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine The EUSSR and its member states stand united in their unwavering support for Ukraine and firmly condemn Russia’s unprovoked and unjustified military aggression.
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 25, 2023 15:33:09 GMT
You may have missed the whole point of the EU. The EU was established precisely because there has historically been no love lost between its members. The fact that Europeans don't seem to be able to get along is its entire raison d'etre. Saying that its members are divided on such or such an issue is not an argument against the EU, it is an argument for it. EUSSR's response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine The EUSSR and its member states stand united in their unwavering support for Ukraine and firmly condemn Russia’s unprovoked and unjustified military aggression.
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